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11. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

Most Americans would rather part with a limb before they surrender their guns. Especially in the south. "You can take my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands" -is a frequently seen bumper sticker.

Before you ask...Yes I own a gun. As for tougher gun control in the US? It would be a bit like closing the barn door after the animals got out...Criminals will always be able to find weapons....(This could be a huge can of worms;) )

12. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

the biggest criminals do make and sell them - with $800 bln turnover a year it's the biggest world industry

13. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Mr Isa here...

I have particularly strong opinions on this, but I won't push them on everyone.

Here in the US, the Second Amendment to our Constitution guarantees the right to all citizens to bear arms. Mind you, this was written more than 200 years ago. I seriously doubt that our founding fathers envisioned a weapon capable of killing 50 people per second. Also here in the US, the most powerful lobby in Washington DC is the NRA (National Rifle Association). Charlton Heston (Moses in the "Ten Commandments") was their spokesman for many years. At one speech, he raised a musket over his head and proclaimed "Out of my cold dead hands will you take my gun". My first question was, "Why do you have to be dead for me to take your gun, old man?". I have a difficult time imagining a drive-by musket shooting in Los Angeles.

Criminal: "Bang"
Victim: "Ha, missed!"
Criminal: "Stand right there, I have to reload."
Victim: "Run away, run away.."

Our gun laws were written in a time of civil unrest and revolution. We are no longer there. Guns were originally intended for defense (outside of war) and hunting for food. I am not a hunter - I shop for my meat. I also have no need to defend my home with a gun. A good butcher's cleaver will do.

More Americans die every year from gunshot wounds than have died in our recent Crusade in Iraq. I can't understand this seemingly inate bloodlust to kill. Some consider it sport. If it were truly sport, the hunter would strip naked, and kill his prey with his bare hands. And, even then, it's pushing it.

It would seem that humans will always hold animosity toward each other. And, they will continue to find bigger and more violent ways to eliminate each other. Until we, as a race, can find compassion and understanding in ourselves, the killing will continue.

Sort of gives a new meaning to population control.

14. Posted by daveh (Travel Guru 1027 posts) 11y

The police in the UK don't carry guns. The good old British bobby has to tackle armed criminals with his truncheon. The gun/gang culture is growing over here too. The armed forces have strict rules about the use of their weapons too, i think even in Iraq they are not allowed to fire unless directly fired upon.

15. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

dave - with the exeption of air bombs, misssiles, artilery fire etc.

16. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

It's funny how a lot of people, when they mention the USA, mention the "high crime rate".

"The USA is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live their because of the high rates of crime" is what's often stated.

Yet, these same people then suddenly balk at the possibility that this might be linked to gun laws and the "right to bear arms".

My own opinion is that if society wants their guns, and people's rights are so important, then society also has to accept the possible consequences of having so many weapons so easily available.

Didn't I read last week about a pupil at a high school in the US shooting dead 10 or so of his classmates....

17. Posted by darbymx (Budding Member 4 posts) 11y

Quoting MASSAGEUK

james - unfortunately that happens all around the world all the time

just like the bird flu, right? Didn't Frank Purdue just die in the US from the bird flu? Have you heard anything MASSAGE?

18. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

check this interactive map for war and political conflicts around the world.
http://www.ppu.org.uk/war/interactive/conflict_interactive.html
(btw - civilian body count in Iraque is 18 000).

When the bird flu comes probably not many celebrities or politicians will die - but a lot of anonimous victims in the third world countries. Up to 50 million of them.

19. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

I don't know how war and political conflict have anything to do with gun laws apart from the police and the military having, in my mind, a little bit more of a justification for carrying a gun than the 18 year old kid down the street....oh, or do you have to be the ripe old age of 21?

20. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

Quoting james

They are designed for killing

in the UK there is a strict gun law - which doesn't prevent government from using arms against the population (Bloody Sunday massacre not so long ago) or the UK being the second biggest arm manufacturer.

This law doesn't prevent arm dealers from exporting guns to the areas of a political conflict and to the countries which abuse human rights.

Mark Thatcher (the son of a former british prime minister) was sentenced for actively organising a military plot in Congo - with arms made in the UK.

There is one law for us - and no law for those who are at power.