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11. Posted by areinstein (Travel Guru 2788 posts) 11y

Heard it just now Joz... It is 3 pm here in the US...eastern standard time. He passed on 4/2/05 in the evening hours...

12. Posted by buttmunch (Inactive 77 posts) 11y

I would just like to express my compassion to everyone affected by the death of Jean Paul II. I not a catholic myself, but think I speak for everyone when I say that this is a great loss to the world. RIP.

13. Posted by Tsunami (Full Member 35 posts) 11y

I'm non-religious, so the papal acts are the least of my concerns. But seeing a life is ending is always sad, no matter if it's a pope or anyone :( So despite me being non-religious: my condolences to all to whom the Pope meant a lot.

14. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

shame he is gone - the next one will be even more conservative

15. Posted by s0f (Full Member 163 posts) 11y

Quoting MASSAGEUK

shame he is gone - the next one will be even more conservative

It is a shame he has gone. I am a little scared that the next one won't be as liberal as Pope John II. He accomplished so much and I think that he did the best he could with regards to implementing changes in Catholocism to reflect our modern times. There were many many Catholic people (priests etc) that did not agree with some of his views. He was seen as controversial and, on the other hand, I think in some respects he is also seen as conservative. He may have been able to do more if he wasn't limited by some strict traditions and values of the Church.

That's my two-cents. Sorry if I offend anyone.

I'm just sad he's gone.

16. Posted by angela_ (Respected Member 1732 posts) 11y

I'm not catholic so I really can't say what effect this would have on a catholic person but to me I think it is a relief for him to die. He has been ill for so long. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer like that, even if he does hold such a great responsibility.

17. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

[quote=soapsudsI think that he did the best he could with regards to implementing changes in Catholocism to reflect our modern times./quote]

as all previous (and future popes) he was against abortion, use of condom, contraception and sexual education (contributing to spread of aids and sexually transmitted deseases as well as overpopulation in some third world catholic majority countries), homosexuality etc

He had seen the exposing of rampant child abuse commited by his weird clergy and said or did nothing.

He promoted ignorance and superstition and supressed most of the liberation theologists who didn't get whacked by US sponsored death squads. They ended up in monasteries or as parish priests in places like the deep Amazon or the New Guinea Highlands.

He never sorted out the Vatican Bank shady operations and connections with Italian mafia (the John Paul I was thinking about it before his death - before the head of the curia had him whacked for getting too nosy).

18. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 11y

MassageUK - are you capable of ever saying anything positive

You should have have more respect and compassion at this time.

19. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

Quoting samsara2

MassageUK - are you capable of ever saying anything positive

yes - I like travelling, spicy food, thai culture, nature, hot climate, humour, beer. And I love my gf.

20. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

You're a real charmer, MASSAGEUK