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1. Posted by 500GAMMA (Budding Member 3 posts) 1y

I am not good enough to get into America for a holiday because I was arrested as a kid over 35 years ago for not actually doing anything.
Been a really good boy ever since, and it has not stopped me having some pretty high placed jobs.
No problems when I have been to Australia, Britain, Holland, Switzerland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Scotland, Denmark, Japan, China. on business and pleasure.
I am good enough to go to all these places - and others I intend to visit. No problems.

But not America.
They are happy to take my money & not let me in.

And their government does not help to make it happen.
They ( American Consulate ) hinder tourists from going there with their VERY UN-cooperative aproach.
I find that strange from a country that has more of it's own citizens in jail ( per capita ) than anywhere else in the world.
Double Standards !!!

Seems there are more bad people in America than anywhere in the world. The news every day confirms this.
So why risk going there, or battling their over-the-top regulations, or battling their weird bureaucracy ??
Safer, cheaper, and easier to visit anywhere else in the world.

I used to want to go there - but not anymore.
Their red tape and time wasting has seen to that.


I will spend my money somewhere else in another economy that has reasonable laws and cooperative consulates.

2. Posted by Borisborough (Respected Member 430 posts) 1y

It's a shame you can't get in. There are some great places in America - the Grand Canyon, New York, the Golden Gate Bridge, the Florida Keys, Alaska. But there are another 190 odd countries (or 200 odd depending on which definition you use) to visit so you won't be short of a place to visit.

Enjoy travelling the rest of the world. :)

[ Edit: Edited on 31-Jan-2015, at 01:06 by Borisborough ]

3. Posted by MissCandy (Budding Member 48 posts) 1y

Hello! I know what you feel! From what country are you? Same thing happened to me. I was denied of a US student visa twice already and I don't have any idea why. Because I just want to continue my studies there and go back in my country after. They are very unreasonable!

4. Posted by Andyf (Travel Guru 640 posts) 1y

We'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for our failed colony. We're really sorry.
- Britain

5. Posted by CheersT (Travel Guru 2422 posts) 1y

500GAMMA, your post makes zero sense. No one gets denied entry into the US for an arrest that happened 35 years ago when you were a minor. A Waiver of Inadmissibility would be issued to you immediately. What is your nationality?

Miss Candy, sorry for your troubles in obtaining a Student Visa, but your situation is complicated due to the fact that you're Filipino. You must have very believable documentation that you will indeed depart the US and return home when your studies are complete, but unfortunately your fellow countrymen tend to break that condition...

Cheers,
Terry

6. Posted by 500GAMMA (Budding Member 3 posts) 1y

Hi and thanks for your thoughts everyone.

To Borisborough - Thanks - I will enjoy all the other great places that I am welcomed into.

To Miss Candy - I am a NZ Citizen.

To Andyf - Thanks - but don't apologize for the American bureaucracy ( unless you are American ).
Britain ( your location tag ) was great when I visited it. Thanks for the memories.

To CheersT - My post makes sense to others who read it . Are you just biased ??? or is there some other disability you have ???
The American bureaucracy and it's ridiculous rules is the problem.
You are very wrong about admission for past happenings. I know of others with exactly the same problem - here and in other countries.
The American embassy want me to travel elsewhere ( other end of my country ) just so I can be interviewed to see if I might be eligible to visit.
That would cost over $ 1500 US$ just to see if I might come there. !!!!
No guarantees of getting a visa and possibly at no result and still be barred.
Have you got $1500 to spare ????? to see if you mightt come here ?????? ( we would not make it that hard for you )
They won't even embrace modern technology and do a phone interview ( with a Justice of the Peace ) and with electronic transferred documents.
Like I said - NO cooperation from the American embassy.
Living in the dark ages from a country that touts itself to be out front is what it appears.
Oh - and what difference should it make where you come from ???
Discriminating against people because of nationality ( Miss Candy ) is NOT ok where I live.

Cheers
Gamma

7. Posted by CheersT (Travel Guru 2422 posts) 1y

Dear Gamma,

You are being irrational.

Of course American bureaucracy can be illogical, most bureaucracy is. That said, 1.) You make no explanation about how the American Embassy discovered a 35 year old offence that happened when you were a minor. 2.) Of course face-to-face interviews are standard procedure in some circumstances, it's impossible to confirm identity over the phone and in many cases only original documents are accepted. 3.) Thinking that nationality should not play a part in Visa admissibility is utterly mind boggling.

You have a entitled, holier-than-thou attitude with many basic misunderstandings about standard operating procedure when it comes to obtaining a US Visa.

All the best to you.

Cheers,
Terry

8. Posted by Andyf (Travel Guru 640 posts) 1y

My pal once made the mistake of answering the questions on their forms literally and honestly and admitted to a police caution 30 years ago for hitting someone while a drunken student. He now has to go to the American embassy to go through a visa interview each time and even after that process gets pulled aside every time on arrival as they have him on a watch list.

Seems to me the regime are the bad guys not the travellers.

9. Posted by CheersT (Travel Guru 2422 posts) 1y

Andy, that's normal when dealing with Homeland Security and US Customs & Border Protection. At times it's a dumb, paranoid bureaucracy. That said, the US is the #1 country on earth for people trying to gain illegal entry so of course their immigration policies reflect that situation, they have no choice.

That said, even the most minimal research would have shown Gamma that no country on earth except Canada shares their normal criminal database with the US. That coupled with the fact that he doesn't even require a Visa to visit the US means that all his ranting is simply a reflection of his own lack of investigation as to how to enter the US. And I don't believe for a second that he was turned away simply because he admitted an arrest when he was a minor 35 years ago. There's more here than meets the eye.

There's two sides to every story and the traveller is not always the innocent party. This other thread proves that fact over and over and over:

http://www.travellerspoint.com/forum.cfm?thread=22639

Cheers,
Terry

10. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 1y

Yeah, NZ (like any other country on earth) most definitely do take nationality into account when giving people visas. For example, these are the countries that don't need a visa to enter as tourists.

Sorry to hear about your difficulties getting into the US 500GAMMA. It does have some beautiful places and contrary to perception from abroad, people in the US on the whole are very friendly and hospitable.

Thankfully there are plenty of other interesting places to visit around the world though, so it's probably just best to focus on those and save the stress.

[ Edit: Edited on 01-Feb-2015, at 21:21 by Peter ]