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UK visa refusal ... should i reapply?

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1. Posted by PakTraveler (Budding Member 2 posts) 15w

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Hi!

I am a female from Pakistan ... I have been visited UK 4 times before in 2006, 2010, 2012 and 2014. The first time I visited was a one week trip, with 5 days in London and two days in Scotland. I feel in love with the country! I am a self made person who enjoys travelling, so with my savings instead of buying flashy cars or designer bags I like to explore the world as much as I can. Other than UK I have traveled to Netherlands and Switzerland twice in 2012 and 2015, Paris in 2015, United states in 2013. UK has been one place that keeps calling me back, I took my sister along in 2014, sponsoring her trip, we visited London, Lake city and Scotland ... had the time of our lives. It is only natural that you want to share the place, with the ones you love, so hearing all the stories we had to tell about London, my mom wished to visit it as well!

This year we were planning to visit US (we have a valid visa for it) but since my mom wanted to visit UK we decided to go there, as she is getting old and with every passing year it might become difficult for her to do the long travels and she has already been to US twice.

To cut the story short our visa (6 months visit) was refused because we could not apparently justify our finances. (I am a full time employee with monthly salary of above RS 225000, my sister is a contract employee who makes on average around RS 1 Lac monthly) My mother is our dependent. I had attached my employment letter as well and my sister her contracts.

In my sister's case she does not get a salary every month but enough contracts to make RS 100000 a month on average but the person handling the application concluded that she does not have a regular income coming in her account.

My office letter stated my salary but a typing error resulted in the office not adding the word "net salary" s the person concluded my salary is not what I showed it to be! The savings in my bank have been there for six months, I sometimes take them out for investment purpose and then put the money back ( the form does not provide any field where we can fill in such kind of details) I have been working for past 13 years and have been jobless only for three months during this period (this detail was filled in my form)

My mom's form clearly said she was sponsored by me, he still wasn't satisfied with the funds in her account (when obviously if her source of income is family support there won't be a regular income coming)

Now let's assume the reason of refusal is that I failed to justify my income properly (mistake in employment letter, not attaching statement of my current account where my salary comes and only attaching my savings account statement) what made me angry was the fact that on our visa refusal the person reviewing application thinks, we won't come back ... I have visited UK twice, I have been to US thrice, Swtizerland and Netherlands twice ... my sister has been to US, UK, Switzerland, Netherlands, France ... if we had to stay back we would stay back when we had our visa issued the first time .,. we wont' wait for our 2nd or in my case 5th trip to stay back that too when all of us have a valid US visa, where its much easier to disappear! Not the refusal but this remark made me really really angry, I do not deny people do such things ... but is it really this difficult to differentiate between a valid tourist and someone wanting to stay back? I have been going on holidays every year since 2012 ... my travel records are a proof of that ... my sister has been going since 2013 as well.

Not just this they also wrote you can apply again but your visa would be refused again unless your circumstances change drastically! What I will win a lottery? We like travelling with my hard earned money ... if that circumstance is not enough I don't know what would be!

I don't even know if I want to apply again but in case i do ,,, would it be worth it or should i let it go? I have never been refused a visa before, this is the first time so i don't know what to do! Also I know someone who has been to UK 42 times before (all legal, with valid visa) he too was refused a visa on the grounds that they are not convinced if he would come back! Yea he waited for 43rd time to disappear in UK

I do not blame the authorities since they have a job to do and this world is becoming a difficult place day by day but I feel this just isn't fair!

P.S: The only reason I will be tempted to reapply is that I simply love the place ... i have been to many countries and cities but none keeps calling me back the way London does ... and this is the reason why i felt so sad and angry ... the thought of never been able to visit the place again!

[ Edit: Edited on 08-Jun-2016, at 09:20 by PakTraveler ]

2. Posted by Borisborough (Respected Member 429 posts) 15w

Hello PakTraveler - just for the sake of clarity, you say you visited Lake city in the UK; can you please tell me exactly where Lake city is in the UK because I think I must be getting it confused with somewhere else? Thanks.

3. Posted by hasbeen (Respected Member 602 posts) 15w

I think the refusal is because the application is for the three of you, especially if there are no other direct family in Pakistan. Had the application been only for you, my guess is the visa would have been granted.

Personally, I would not re-apply even if it would only be for yourself - I would be too angry. If the UK does not want your hard earned cash, spend it some other place.

Boris - I think you can assume she meant The Lake District not Lake city - that might make it easier for you to answer her question.

Steve

4. Posted by PakTraveler (Budding Member 2 posts) 15w

Boris I meant Lake District, my mistake, Keswick and surrounding areas to be precise. We have a society named Lake city here so confused the two

Steve thanks for replying, another reason why I would want to reapply and get it cleared is because I fear it could affect my future travel, specially in Europe since by law UK shares visa refusal information with other Europian countries. I still have to specially watch Barcelona play once before Messi retires and visit Venice and Prague. But yes if they are going to refuse again there is just no point. Yes the three of us applying could be a factor but my father and brother were staying back home, for us to return to them. Unless of course they assumed we don't have a good relationship and hence have decided to take asylum lol

[ Edit: Edited on 08-Jun-2016, at 14:52 by PakTraveler ]

5. Posted by CheersT (Travel Guru 2422 posts) 15w

Steve nailed it. Getting a Visa for 3 family members at one time is exponentially more difficult than getting a Visa just for yourself.

Your post is so articulate and well written (very rare with Visa questions) that I've PMed you the person who you need to talk to. They're top-notch with UK Visa questions. Tell them Terry sent you.

Good luck, but honestly, I don't think this is going to happen for your family at this time. Sorry.

Cheers,
Terry

6. Posted by janesgarde (Budding Member 40 posts) 15w

Sounds like you have a very helpful answer from Terry. I was going to say that I am not qualified with the knowledge to help. Perhaps look at the Foreign Office website, but I am not sure.
All the very best of luck to you and your family.

Try going to Cornwall when you get here again
Cheers
Jane

7. Posted by hasbeen (Respected Member 602 posts) 14w

So - Any decision on what to do?

Steve

8. Posted by Garnier (Budding Member 33 posts) 14w

Hasbeen/Paktraveller, I don't think it has got anything to do with your family members...there has been a sudden surge in UK visa refusals in the past few weeks/months. There are lots of complaints here in Kenya from people who have been travelling there even for decades. I recently saw a post from a Ugandan girl who has been there severally, even did her masters and doctoral degrees there, filled about 5 passports , has a good track record but was still denied. Something about instructions (heresy) recently given to the UK border agency so chances are they will still deny even on appeal.

About it affecting your record with other countries. It depends on whether the other countries have a mind of their own. Once I was denied a visa to Ireland (even with sufficient funds, good employment, good travel history, having lived in the Schengen region and holding a valid UK 6 month multiple entry visa) because they couldn't ascertain that I would go back to my country! I was kind of scared applying for a Canadian/US visa afterwards since the Irish denial would mess up my history. I first applied to Canada and in the form it specifically asked if I had previously been denied a visa and why...well, I stated the Irish refusal and the reasons given (lack of finances, inadequate ties back home and failure to sign a declaration saying I would go back home - all lies by the way) . Luckily for me, Canada could make the decision on their own without influence from Ireland and they issued my visa. I then went to the US Embassy who also issued me a visa. so don't be too worried about that :)

[ Edit: Edited on 18-Jun-2016, at 00:29 by Garnier ]

9. Posted by howfaraway (Budding Member 12 posts) 14w

Reapply...they can only knock you back again. Depends on the costs involved in making the application. Up to you.