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Faking Farming and 2nd Year Visa

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1. Posted by jameserob (Budding Member 36 posts) 9w

Has anyone done this or have any stories? Not that I'm planning on doing it, but I've heard that the farming can be seriously hard work and not nice at all. I've read about people paying farmers to sign them off and also about people just filling in the form and saying they've done the work and getting an ABN number and postcode on it. Obviously it's risky, but I do wonder how many the authorities actually check.

2. Posted by OldPro (Respected Member 286 posts) 9w

Some people will ask for a job and tell you how willing they are to do the work. Then after you hire them, they do as little work as they think they can get away with while at the same time complaining they don't get paid enough. Those people rarely get very far in life though and so I guess the saying, 'what goes around, comes around' bites them in the butt in the end.

I would imagine, the same kind of people look a gift horse like WHV programs, in the mouth and try to avoid meeting the requirements they agreed to in the first place. Losers one and all.

3. Posted by Andyf (Travel Guru 653 posts) 9w

OldPro, have you any experience of WHV farm work in New Zealand? You state a strong view, I just wonder if it's backed up with any knowledge of the subject.

Yes, the farming work can be seriously hard work and I've heard WHV'ers I've been sharing digs with call it close to slavery. They had the feeling that the farmers were deliberately exploiting travellers whom they knew were desperate to be signed off for their second year.

4. Posted by TeflonCDN (Full Member 128 posts) 9w

This poster is not asking for advice on how hard farm work is or whether this is a good program. What they are asking is about how easy it is to get away with fraud and get a visa via this system by paying off farmers...

5. Posted by Peter (Admin 5812 posts) 9w

It's like breaking any law really - sure lots of people get away with it, but you will be a criminal and your crime means you will be at risk of being caught.

Apparently one in seven WHV work claims are audited. If you are the lucky 1/7, you can look forward to being kicked out of the country and have a nice stain on your immigration history for a long time to come. Not worth the risk imo.

6. Posted by OldPro (Respected Member 286 posts) 9w

Quoting Andyf

OldPro, have you any experience of WHV farm work in New Zealand? You state a strong view, I just wonder if it's backed up with any knowledge of the subject.

Yes, the farming work can be seriously hard work and I've heard WHV'ers I've been sharing digs with call it close to slavery. They had the feeling that the farmers were deliberately exploiting travellers whom they knew were desperate to be signed off for their second year.

Some people try to divert an issue onto an unrelated topic. The issue is simple Andyf. IF you enter into an agreement, you either keep to that agreement or you don't. If you don't, your word is worth nothing. I am old school Andyf, if I give my word, whether in writing (which all who apply for a WHV do) or only verbally, then I keep my word. I may find that having given my word, the outcome is not as I had expected. That's when I have to turn to the more recent popular saying and 'suck it up'.

If the conditions found by those on WHVs are too harsh or unreasonable, then the WHV'ers have an alternative. Leave and go elsewhere. They are NOT bound in any way, they are free to LEAVE the country. What the OP has raised here is a case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. "I want to stay, but I don't want to do the physical labour I signed up to do IF I want to stay longer.' Your comment re the conditions, would ONLY be relevant if they had no alternative.

No I have no experience of WHV farm work in any country Andyf, although I did pick grapes for a month in the south of France many years ago. We got not much more than pocket money; an outbuilding to sleep in dormitory style and a bottle of wine each per day. The money was enough to go into the village and buy some groceries which we then cooked communal style. Picking grapes by hand is 'stoop labour' and pretty hard on the back but as a young guy, it was survivable. The real value of that experience was in the interaction with the local people and our fellow pickers. We left with no more (and no less) money than we arrived with and that was the practical goal we hoped for. It extended the amount of time we could spend in the area without costing us any money. Isn't that what a WHV is supposed to do?

A WHV is not a one way street intended solely for the benefit of those who are granted one. It is also intended to help employers who need some cheap labour for a period of time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is pretty naive.

7. Posted by CheersT (Travel Guru 2458 posts) 9w

Quoting TeflonCDN

This poster is not asking for advice on how hard farm work is or whether this is a good program. What they are asking is about how easy it is to get away with fraud and get a visa via this system by paying off farmers...

Ditto this, and OldPro too.

Cheers,
Terry