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EU Constitution Vote, will France & Holland vote Yes or NO?

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1. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

Well the French vote on Sunday and the Dutch next Wednesday. Any vote predictions? I read ALL 25 countries need to vote "yes", but that the French and the Dutch could vote "no".

What countries do you think will vote "no" for the new EU constitution? France?, Holland", the UK?,...

2. Posted by Tsjebber (Full Member 58 posts) 11y

There is a good chance that The Netherlands will vote against it. The pity is that a lot of people are not voting for what's in the Constitution. THe government in Holland made it a very big propaganda run to let the people vote in favour of the constitution. Some ministers where saying that we could get a new worldwar, or that not accepting the constitution would lead to an economic disaster in Europe. I think it's been a huge mistake of the government, not being neutral in the matter and just provide people with the information they need to make a proper vote. All the talking now is about what happens if people vote no, and the public is already puking it out. One political party even used a little movie of Auswitz concentrationcamp and said this never again in it. They took out the movie because it was too extreme. A lot of the Dutch are angry that politics are kind of threathening them to vote in favour, which will lead into a lot of No-votes for the wrong reason.

3. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 11y

I agree with my fellowcountryman. For some Dutch it would be a some sort of revenge. Voting against the consitution would be a vote against todays Dutch government (Balkenende). I still think that a slight majority will agree on the EU-constitution though!!!

4. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

Hey Dutch people, thanks for the responses. It's nice to a Live, on the scene report. Interesting stuff.

Just read this online (it's 22:40 in Europe):

PARIS May 29, 2005 — Projections based on exit polls indicated Sunday that French voters rejected the proposed European Union constitution, dealing a severe blow to the ambitious effort to further unite the 25-nation bloc.

Three polls, which did not include results from Paris and the southern city of Lyon, gave the "no" vote between 54.5 percent and 55.6 percent a result that, if confirmed in the actual count, would be a humiliating defeat for President Jacques Chirac, whose nation pioneered the idea of integrating the continent.

5. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 11y

I think the French are too patriotic to vote yes.......

6. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

From my understanding...nothing changes if they vote no......I guess my question is...what would reallychange if they voted yes??

7. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

Quoting CupCake

From my understanding...nothing changes if they vote no......I guess my question is...what would reallychange if they voted yes??

If they vote "no" they cannot move forward with the new constitution.

A few quotes:

"If confirmed, the result will be a blow to President Jacques Chirac and France's two main political parties, which campaigned for a "Yes". It could deal a fatal blow to the E.U. constitution, which E.U. officials has been working on since the start of 2002.

The constitution cannot come into force unless it is ratified by all 25 EU members. So far, nine countries have ratified it. Eight other national referendums are still to come, including one in the Netherlands on Wednesday, where the "No" side is also leading in the polls. The constitution was finalised last year after long and difficult negotiations among E.U. governments. The treaty includes the union's Charter of Fundamental Rights and establishes a foreign minister's position."

Another:

"Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Nick Clegg said: "This vote clearly throws the European Union into an unprecedented state of uncertainty.

The French decision is likely to have ramifications across Europe, especially in countries such as the Netherlands, who are due to hold their own referendums.

The constitution aims to streamline decision-making in the enlarged EU of 25 countries. It has to be ratified by all member states to become law."

8. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

I haven't studied enough to know the exact ramifications of a "NO" vote, but the "NO" vote will probably make it more difficult for the EU to become an economic powerhouse. Anticipation of a NO vote is one of the reasons the Euro has weakened lately against the dollar .

9. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

Where are the Europeans when you need them (to explain all this to us)...ASLEEP!!!

Wake up Europe people, what does this EU Constitution defeat mean?

10. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

I'm pretty sure without the new constitution that it will be more difficult for Europe to act in unison.

France rejects EU treaty, Europe faces crisis:

" France overwhelmingly rejected the European Union's constitution in a referendum on Sunday, pollsters' projections showed, plunging the EU into crisis and dealing a possibly fatal blow to a pact designed to make it run smoothly.

The heavy defeat dreaded by EU leaders could weaken France in the 25-member bloc, also all European integration and unsettle some financial markets. It also wounds President Jacques Chirac two years before presidential and parliamentary elections.

EU LEADERS FACE CRISIS

The constitution was signed by EU leaders last October in Rome after long and tough negotiations and requires the approval of all member states to go into force. Nine countries have approved it and is intended to take effect in 2006.

Concerns over the constitution's fate have contributed to the euro's recent weakness and economists said before the vote that the currency could fall further in the event of a "No."

The impact of the French rejection could also be felt on the Turkish lira because it could be interpreted as a protest against Turkey's efforts to join the Union. "