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1. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

TravellersPoint Terms & Conditions

I've just been checking the TravellersPoint Terms & Conditions of membership.I am guessing that TP is registered in The Netherlands, as there is mention of the general application of Dutch law.

1. Does this imply that anyone engaging the services of TP as an agent or otherwise, must go through the Dutch legal system in the event of any pecuniary loss?

2. There is nothing specific about intellectual property rights (particularly WRT to threads commenced & submitted by individual members) in the Terms & Conditions either.

For the benefit & fairness of existing & prospective members, please advise accordingly in the TP System Talk forum.

Regards
Wocca

2. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 11y

Quoting http://www.travellerspoint.com/terms.htm

10. Intellectual Property
10.1 By submitting material and content to our site, you are acknowledging that you are fully entitled to do so and that the information is your own or you own the rights to use that information.
10.2 By submitting material and content to our site, you are granting Travellerspoint a non-exclusive, royalty-free, non-terminable licence right to copy, modify, show in public and create derivative works from that material in any form, anywhere.
10.3 By submitting material and content to our site, you are authorising Travellerspoint to adapt that material and content and so waive all rights to that material, including the intellectual property rights and the moral rights to object to any derogatory treatment of that material or to be identified as the author of that material. You will not be paid for granting Travellerspoint these rights.
10.4 All copyright, trademarks, and any other intellectual property rights in and relating to the site, including the material submitted by members, are owned by Travellerspoint. As a user or member of our site you agree not to copy, re-use or embed any information, whether ours or owned by third parties affiliated to our site, found on our site without the written consent of Travellerspoint. You are not permitted to incorporate Travellerspoint pages in framesets on your site without notifying visitors of your site that the ownership of the information lies with Travellerspoint.
10.5 Users of our site agree that Travellerspoint can use any information pasted by them to promote, market or help the site in any way they see fit.

13. Choice of Law
These Terms and Conditions shall be governed and interpreted according to Dutch law. As such any disputes arising from this site will fall under the jurisdiction of Dutch law and they have full and exclusive jurisdiction to resolve any issues arising from it.

The full copy of Terms and Conditions can be found at http://www.travellerspoint.com/terms.htm

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3. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 11y

Quoting Wocca

2. There is nothing specific about intellectual property rights (particularly WRT to threads commenced & submitted by individual members) in the Terms & Conditions either.

Strange, I see:

10. Intellectual Property
10.1 By submitting material and content to our site, you are acknowledging that you are fully entitled to do so and that the information is your own or you own the rights to use that information.
10.2 By submitting material and content to our site, you are granting Travellerspoint a non-exclusive, royalty-free, non-terminable licence right to copy, modify, show in public and create derivative works from that material in any form, anywhere.
10.3 By submitting material and content to our site, you are authorising Travellerspoint to adapt that material and content and so waive all rights to that material, including the intellectual property rights and the moral rights to object to any derogatory treatment of that material or to be identified as the author of that material. You will not be paid for granting Travellerspoint these rights.
10.4 All copyright, trademarks, and any other intellectual property rights in and relating to the site, including the material submitted by members, are owned by Travellerspoint. As a user or member of our site you agree not to copy, re-use or embed any information, whether ours or owned by third parties affiliated to our site, found on our site without the written consent of Travellerspoint. You are not permitted to incorporate Travellerspoint pages in framesets on your site without notifying visitors of your site that the ownership of the information lies with Travellerspoint.
10.5 Users of our site agree that Travellerspoint can use any information pasted by them to promote, market or help the site in any way they see fit.

Which basically sounds to me as legalese for "it's a message board on teh intarweb, silly! If you post it, of course everyone can read and quote it at will. Furthermore, the entire concept of "intellectual property" is silly, but if you're that one in a ten-thousand member who's going to throw a hissy fit and demand that all his posts are deleted (it happens from time to time), this allows us to just ignore you - hell, the wayback machine has archived your posts anyway."

Okay, that's probably a somewhat liberal interpretation and not exactly what Sam and Peter had in mind, but you get my drift. ;) Personally I see Travellerspoint as Google. They're not evil, they're trusting their members to not be evil, and just in case they're sadly proven wrong with that, there's some inpenetrable lawyer-talk that grants them far more rights than you'd thought. :)

4. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 11y

Damn, Hien beat me to it. That should teach me to take so long to write a post. :)

5. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 11y

Quoting Sander

Damn, Hien beat me to it. That should teach me to take so long to write a post. :)

It happened to me before, Sander. But not 24 minutes though.

6. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 11y
  • g* I opened several posts at once - and then first wrote another post (basic photoshop elements tutorial in the photography forum) before clicking reply in this tab.

Should've reloaded before doing that, but... oh well. :)

7. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

I would think anything posted in these forums would become part of the "public domain".

8. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

Quoting Sander

Which basically sounds to me as legalese for "it's a message board on teh intarweb, silly! If you post it, of course everyone can read and quote it at will. Furthermore, the entire concept of "intellectual property" is silly, but if you're that one in a ten-thousand member who's going to throw a hissy fit and demand that all his posts are deleted (it happens from time to time), this allows us to just ignore you - hell, the wayback machine has archived your posts anyway."

Are you speaking on behalf of the owners of this site?

9. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 11y

No, I don't. Just the way I personally interpreted that text (which I just then read for the first time).
As I said, "Okay, that's probably a somewhat liberal interpretation and not exactly what Sam and Peter had in mind" and also: *points to his membertitle* - I might help write code, and have grown to care about the site and its members and thus go out of my way to help even when I'm not writing code, but I have absolutely zero influence on, or position in the running of the site.

(Oh, and just in case this wasn't clear either, the "you" in the bit I quoted was addressing the hypothetical 'one in ten thousand' member who'd 'need' the rules - not you Wocca.)

10. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 11y

Quoting Sander

(Oh, and just in case this wasn't clear either, the "you" in the bit I quoted

sorry - the "you" in the bit you quoted.

  • mutters at his fingers not typing what he instructs them to type*