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11. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

Quoting TravellersPoint

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We are keen to get any feedback, suggestions or criticisms from our members, so please let us know

12. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 11y

Wocca, sorry, it might be the language barrier, but I don't understand why you quoted that bit? (That is, I don't see how it pertains to the previous discussion?)

13. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

Quoting Sander

Wocca, sorry, it might be the language barrier, but I don't understand why you quoted that bit? (That is, I don't see how it pertains to the previous discussion?)

You seem to be getting very upset in the previous discussion.

Quoting TravellersPoint

We are keen to get any feedback, suggestions or criticisms from our members, so please let us know

All I have sought is clarification in accordance with the quote above.

Quoting Sander

there's some inpenetrable lawyer-talk that grants them far more rights than you'd thought

You've possibly summed it up enough in lay terms already

14. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 11y

Quoting Wocca

You seem to be getting very upset in the previous discussion.

Heh. You can rest assured, I wasn't. :) In fact, there's very little on the internet that can ever get me upset, and nothing on message boards, ever. It's totally counter productive. :)

(Personally I have the policy of assuming a smilie after every single sentence by everyone - I guess you should make it more explicit that the same can be assumed in my posts while people don't know me that well yet.) :)

15. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 11y

Okay, seriously, I don't know what it is, but I keep messing up you and me in my posts. I should make it more explicit, of course... :)

(And I know what it is, really, as well, I type something, then I rephrase it, and don't backspace far enough. But still. *grumble grumble at self*) :D

16. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

No problem ...

17. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

As Pete's away, and I have to sleep sometimes :), answers to questions like this might not always be as lightning fast as we'd like them to be.

Having said that, Sander pretty much summed it up nicely. Keep in mind that anything in your own profile area (for example photos/blogs etc.) can be changed, deleted by you at any time. We might link to it, copy it, delete it (think porn pics or obvious spam), use it etc. for different reasons and are fully entitled to do so but naturally have no control over your removing/editing it.

What's posted in the forums stays and 'officially' is 'owned' by Travellerspoint. Think about it, deleting hundreds or thousands of posts would seriously mess up the line of communication for one. Secondly, it would be ridiculous if you posted something and someone else couldn't quote it, link to it etc. etc. Thirdly, that's just the way it is. It would be impossible to run a forum if members were continuously asking for content to be removed, months, maybe years later.

All of this is standard on any forum you'd post in and in all honesty is a last resort in case removing posts would seriously disrupt the normal flow of matters/discussion on the site. There is only one occassion I can recall ever having received an email from a member asking for one specific post to be deleted, which I did accordingly.

Regarding pecuniary loss, there is nothing on this site that costs you money so it's really not relevant, but just in case there is something in the terms and conditions that basically states that the maximum amount you can ever claim from Travellerspoint is 0. This is to cover things like hard drives blowing up while you're posting on Travellerspoint and people thinking it might have to do with the website so claiming those costs with us... yes, unfortunately we have to cover all those silly bases.

All our booking systems etc are run by third party providers. You never book anything with Travellerspoint, it's always with another party and you're bound by their terms and conditions in those cases (these are always stated when you agree to purchase something). This is also stated in the terms and conditions.

The terms and conditions are still referencing Dutch law and in case of a dispute, that's where it would have to be settled as of today. This is changing to Norway any day now where the company that officially owns Travellerspoint is currently registered.

Hope that clears that up.

By the way, nothing in above posts takes away or adds any legal rights to anyone with regards to the terms and conditions. That is the legal document you agree to and this post is just meant for clarification purposes!

Shame legal stuff means covering your butt so much, we really are very nice people and think the same way about all of you, but in this day and age, you can never be too sure!!!

Cheers,

Sam

18. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 11y

All copyright, trademarks, and any other intellectual property rights in and relating to the site, including the material submitted by members, are owned by Travellerspoint.

I would think that legally, under the BERNE CONVENTION, that the posting member retains the copyright of whatever they post, not TP.

19. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 11y

Quoting GregW

All copyright, trademarks, and any other intellectual property rights in and relating to the site, including the material submitted by members, are owned by Travellerspoint.

I would think that legally, under the BERNE CONVENTION, that the posting member retains the copyright of whatever they post, not TP.

Greg,

It's not of any convention, but rather agreeing to the Terms and Conditions that the owner of the site have set, upon using it.

Quoting http://www.travellerspoint.com/terms.htm

1. Introduction
These are the Terms and Conditions that both the users of Travellerspoint at http://www.travellerspoint.com (referred to as "you") and the Website operators, management and, if applicable, any employees (referred to as "Travellerspoint", "we" or "us") of Travellerspoint agree to when using this site.

By registering or using the Travellerspoint service you agree to these Terms and Conditions (also referred to as "provisions") and re-affirm that agreement every time you use our service. Violating these Terms and Conditions may lead to your membership being terminated and exclusion from our site in the future. These Terms and Conditions are applicable to all pages and areas of the site, both visible and non visible to users of the Internet.

10. Intellectual Property
10.1 By submitting material and content to our site, you are acknowledging that you are fully entitled to do so and that the information is your own or you own the rights to use that information.
10.2 By submitting material and content to our site, you are granting Travellerspoint a non-exclusive, royalty-free, non-terminable licence right to copy, modify, show in public and create derivative works from that material in any form, anywhere.
10.3 By submitting material and content to our site, you are authorising Travellerspoint to adapt that material and content and so waive all rights to that material, including the intellectual property rights and the moral rights to object to any derogatory treatment of that material or to be identified as the author of that material. You will not be paid for granting Travellerspoint these rights.
10.4 All copyright, trademarks, and any other intellectual property rights in and relating to the site, including the material submitted by members, are owned by Travellerspoint. As a user or member of our site you agree not to copy, re-use or embed any information, whether ours or owned by third parties affiliated to our site, found on our site without the written consent of Travellerspoint. You are not permitted to incorporate Travellerspoint pages in framesets on your site without notifying visitors of your site that the ownership of the information lies with Travellerspoint.
10.5 Users of our site agree that Travellerspoint can use any information pasted by them to promote, market or help the site in any way they see fit.

So, if you use the website, you've obviously agreed to the above. And this is pretty standard for most, if not all websites available.

20. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

As I find this kind of stuff pretty interesting, not to mention useful, there is what I found on this on Wikipedia. The most important aspect relating to this thread is that copyright can be transferred, and in case of posting on the forums here, that is essentially what members are doing (see terms and conditions wording). This doesn't take away anything from the laws on copyright or for example the Berne Convention and it still means that the works can't be copied by others without breaching the owners rights (hmmm, wonder where that exactly leaves quoting functions legally!!).

Over the internet, I think you'll generally find you are assigning your copyright to others when you post etc. on forums/websites where information/content sharing is common. It would be too disruptive for websites not to have this. Even creative commons websites have this, as that license pertains to the copying of the text/information from the website, after it has already been submitted/contributed by an individual.

But I'm no lawyer, let that be clear :)