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31. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Quoting CupCake

Quoting beerman

I have yet to come across a posting that was so profound that it would be considered one's personal property.

EXCUSE ME?!?! I have been profoundly moved by the TP novel...too tears even! ;)

Okay, well... that's one... but I'm biased...

32. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting wtanaka

Generally, if you produce something of value, you ideally want to license it to other people instead of assign the copyright. If you assign the copyright to someone else, it's legally as if they had produced it in the first place.

For example, if you assign copyright for a message you write to a message board, and don't get a license back from the board saying that you can use your own text, you legally cannot then use that exact same text anywhere else anymore, since you no longer are the copyright holder. The owners of the board would be in their rights to then sue you for posting the same message somewhere else.

Another example, if you assign your copyright to a message board, and the message board then goes and sells your writings (or something derived from your writings), you aren't entitled to any renumeration.

Obviously these issues won't come up in practice too often, but it's the cases where they do come up that matter, isn't it?

There are a class of licenses called Copyleft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft
which allow you to share your creative output freely while preventing others from legally profiting unfairly off of your work. Most of the text in Wikipedia is licensed under Copyleft licenses like the Creative Commons, to prevent profiteers from downloading the whole encyclopedia and selling it.

As for me, I just don't ever post anything valuable.

Interesting reading, learn something new every day! We've actually been considering a creative commons/copyleft license as of late (see, we're not so bad )... how does that work if for example someone submits something to wikipedia and then decides a month later that they want it removed. Would wikipedia then have to remove it? Most boards I know aren't of the kind of quality (like beerman says) that would warrant any selling so from the websites perspective, our concern would be to keep a disruption of operations to a minimum, we're not in the least interested in selling the content (the TP novel aside, what do you think that'd even be worth LOL).

33. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

The author/creator/artist of an original work has copyright, automatically. Now from the terms and conditions people are saying that the "copyright" is waived to TP. But what about the "moral rights"?

Moral rights meaning that the "person" that now has control of the copyright needs permission to alter the original work in anyform.

I havn't read the term or conditions because that is horribly boring, so could someone tell me if moral rights are waived as well? Thanks!

34. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

Over the internet, I think you'll generally find you are assigning your copyright to others when you post etc. on forums/websites where information/content sharing is common.

I don't think that posting is so much an "assigning" of copyright as it is a license for the poster (and copyright holder) to allow the message board to distribute (i.e. publish) the work, just as an author would have an agreement with the publish to publish a work. As such, I think that TP would have a license to publish the work (i.e. my posts).

What is unclear (and probably will remain so) is how far the license to publish extends. I think that most people in signing up for TP probably are expecting their posts to appear on this website, and be available across the internet.

If, however, TP decided to put together a book called "The best of Travellerspoint," (which of course would include many of my posts) and publish it, it could be a close legal call as to if they owned the material in a way they could publish it in a book. I, as writer of a post, could argue that our agreement was for TP to distribute on the Internet, and that they didn't own the rights for book publishing.

But, as I say, that question will probably remain unclear, because, as Sam as...

Most boards I know aren't of the kind of quality (like beerman says) that would warrant any selling so from the websites perspective, our concern would be to keep a disruption of operations to a minimum, we're not in the least interested in selling the content.

Exactly. As wtanka said, if you are planning on publishing something for money, I wouldn't post it on the Internet.

Greg

35. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

we're not in the least interested in selling the content (the TP novel aside, what do you think that'd even be worth LOL).

Priceless............................absolutly priceless.

36. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

I find it interesting that this is brought up now Wocca. Perhaps you'd like to share with all the others why you brought this up after posting nearly 4000 times?

What is that supposed to mean? This is a discussion forum. Isn't it?

37. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting Wocca

Quoting Sam I Am

I find it interesting that this is brought up now Wocca. Perhaps you'd like to share with all the others why you brought this up after posting nearly 4000 times?

What is that supposed to mean? This is a discussion forum. Isn't it?

Well Wocca, it is a little odd that you bring this up now. Could it have something to do with what we've been communicating about the past couple of days?

I don't really think it's fair to start a thread like this without giving the rest of the members the whole story into why you started this thread... we both know this thread doesn't stand alone and has a much more interesting story behind it.

38. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 11y

This is a pretty interesting thread. I was thinking about this copyright issue recently. Say someone who's travelling, let's say Mary Bradley for instance;), uses the TP blog to document her journies, and say she happens to be a pretty good writer. Two years down the line she's browsing through a bookshop, picks up a travel book, flicks through it, and suddenly recognises the writing.....

In such a case, can Mary sue for breach of copyright? Are the contents of her blogs her property?

It is a pretty unlikely situation, I know Any decent writer worth their salt probably isnt going to be saving their work on the WWW, but I was just curious....

39. Posted by Rraven (Travel Guru 5924 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

Quoting Wocca

Quoting Sam I Am

I find it interesting that this is brought up now Wocca. Perhaps you'd like to share with all the others why you brought this up after posting nearly 4000 times?

What is that supposed to mean? This is a discussion forum. Isn't it?

Well Wocca, it is a little odd that you bring this up now. Could it have something to do with what we've been communicating about the past couple of days?

I don't really think it's fair to start a thread like this without giving the rest of the members the whole story into why you started this thread... we both know this thread doesn't stand alone and has a much more interesting story behind it.

I have to say I agree, the reason for this thread seems unclear to me, if I wanted to publish or sell some profound thought (well you never know I may have a good one in 50 years) I wouldn't put it on the internet, it is a bit disturbing that someone is querying this on a public forum without giving the full reason, if i was suspicious i would say that something else was going on

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