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41. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

And also, I personally care deeply for innocent people killed in Iraq, or anywhere else for that matter.

The reason I care MORE that these "terrorists" are eraticated is because they are the ones who want to kill ME (therefore, like it or not, they are my ENEMY).

Considering the "terrorists" to be sub-human (a figure of speech obviosly) and wanting the World to free of them, has nothing to do with my compassion for the "innocent" people who suffer in this World.

I've been to Palistine, Tibet, etc. and have PERSONALLY met & befriended people who have suffered, and truely wish none of this was the case. However, I still feel the World would be better is the "terrorists" were eraticated.

Just want to clalify that I truly do respect ALL the people and cultures of the World, I truely wish that people did not suffer in this World, but I also truely wish ALL the terrorists would be removed from this Earth. I do not value there lives. I do not value ALL human life as though we are some "sacred" species. Therefore, I have no problem with "terrorists' being "eraticated."

42. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

People do not kill with out cause, what is that cause? Does anyone truly know?

By the way, I don't want to get into a personal thing with you Brendan, I like you.

But there is no Justified cause to Blow-up, Kill, Mame INNOCENT people, children, etc..

43. Posted by mim (Travel Guru 1276 posts) 11y

I agree with a lot of what you said Brendan, it always makes me think when things like this happen.

I noticed someone earlier made a comment about terrorists being happy to cause pain or enjoying it...??

these terrorists are people, with families of their own, what could possibly drive them to do this, cause this much pain, maybe even blow themselves up it has to be a terrible hurt and anger and desperation that has spawned such hatred?!
altough it is unforgivable, what about the hurt and death the west has been causing for centuries, sowing the seed of hatred that now has been returned?
When 9/11 happened yes it was a dreadful tragedy as was the London bombings (and I am from London) but people, a lot more people, have died before and in consequence (for instance in Afghanistan) in shorter times in greater mass and been given little thought.

well my mind boggles anyway, and it really makes my heart hurt.

44. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

I despise anything taken to the extreme...and terroists are only about the extreme.

45. Posted by cikusang (Respected Member 1361 posts) 11y

these people don't really need a reason for attack, they just do.

Mind you, there's a very famous 'quote' in Buddhist's believe as it says," There's a 'cause' in every 'consequence'". Fight against this issue in terms of debates and 'road-show' do not help to get rid off so-called 'terrorist' (whether it's pro-active or not and maybe our negligence and words may contribute to the cause of this, don't say 'no' because we will never know)

Brenden's statement is among us all the most 'neutral' and thanks for making this dicussion 'moving forward'; yes, I do agree that today's media tends to sell their 'exaggeration' rather than the 'truth' which is why people like us are getting bored of everyday's news like we are been taught to know the 'fake' rather than 'truth'...

So what can we do now is DO OUR OWN PART THE BEST WE CAN: for those who are teachers/educators - education is the best way to get our next generation to be more 'civilized humanized' and 'decision-making based on worldwide'. Nothing is as good as education to make a better world for us to live; those who travel share your compassionate and care; those who are couples or parents or children, love the people around you and think intellectually; for every citizen in this world PLS STUDY EACH CANDIDATE 1st before you VOTE - don't get a war-worm to become our leader and that will leave at least a few years of peace to all of us.

Terrorism or humankind's violent doesn't come naturally; every baby who is born into this world is gifted a loving heart; with proper guidance and strong human civilization, this thing actually doesn't exist at all.

Love ourself, love the people around you, love the world - that's it,

46. Posted by cikusang (Respected Member 1361 posts) 11y

and here, I would share my thought which is those people who killed innocents irrationally are labelled by us as 'terrorists'...

[u]what about the people who turns them or 'forces' them to act as 'terrorists'? Do you think once the moment we thought they are 'terrorists', actually at the same time, we are entirely a body of 'discriminism'???

Think about that; who create the word 'terrorists' and who propagate this 'term' and who labelled them as 'terrorists' and for what the position of everyone of us is given that rights to embrk this?

Think and keep on thinking....

47. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

Quoting Travel100

They are of a "sub-human" species, should be eraticated like incects, and yes we are prepared to fight!

are you serious?

if yes - something antihuman in you

too much mass media hype and government propaganda down your throat recently?

48. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y


Quoting Travel100

They are of a "sub-human" species, should be eraticated like incects, and yes we are prepared to fight!

are you serious?

if yes - something antihuman in you

too much mass media hype and government propaganda down your throat recently?

I'm talking about the TERRORISTS, and maybe they are not subhuman, but they are evil humans whose goal is to harm innocent people, therefore they should be hunted down and killed. In my opinion, not all humans deserve to live. And yes I am serious. These terrorists that attack schoolchildren in Russia, blow up people in Bali, Madrid, London, NY, etc.. Find them and kill them. The problem is finding them. If others feel differently, I'm fine with that.

By the way, I am the type of person that will not even kill a spider or a bug, I'll guide them out of my house, or just let them live in my house if necessary, and figure if they don't bother me, I won't bother them. I don't like to harm innocent creatures. But I value the life of that spider more than the lives of these Terrorists. They are not innocent and I beleive the World would be better if they were no longer here. If they were all killed, it wouldn't bother me for a second. Maybe some of you are more idealistic, and are better humanists than I, and think all humans should live, etc.. But whether it's a popular opinion or not I do think I've made my feelings pretty clear. I don't post this, obviously, so everyone will say, oh look what a nice person he is, I post it because I do believe that will be the most "pro-active" solution to the problem.

49. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. It's a terrible situation and not worth the time to have a lengthy discussion about it, it's not a topic I enjoy. I got a little carried away about the "sub-human, incect" part, but I was emotional and upset at the time. I still think that we need to be more pro-active about the current terrorist situation (ie- finding those responsible & involved in these types of attacks, and preventing fruther attacks).

50. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

This is a very hard discussion and the kind that could turn way too political and emotional quickly so I am glad to see everyone saying what they think, but not getting (too) personal.

In all honesty, I feel so many different ways about this that I don't really know how to think about this anymore. I strongly condemn any attack taking innocent lives, as I think we all do. But like others said, I do believe there is something behind the hatred which drives these attacks.

Bin Laden is a good example. Here we have a highly intelligent individual that was supported and financed by the US to kill others because at the time, Russia was a bigger enemy. The moment the Russia threat ceased, interest in Afghanistan became a lot less and through several turns of fate (and what if you were Bin Laden would be called 'betrayals' most likely) his opinion was drastically changed and partly led to the situation as it stands today. In effect, the US helped shape their future enemy... and in some ways made the first move (not something you want to remind yourself of in the media though). It's similar in Iraq. In the Gulf War, why did Bush Sr. not push to topple Saddam? It would have been a lot more 'justified' at that time and was extremely close to happening. You can't help but wonder if it wouldn't have been a lot smoother of a transition to democracy at that time then it is now. It also must have been a big influence on George Bush Jr. who saw his fathers sagging polls turn in light of the war. Again, the actions made earlier influenced what is happening today.

This is nothing new. Look at Israel and the Palestine situation. Try going back to see where that starts and you have to go back thousands of years (here again some will disagree depending on where you see the problem starting)!! Someone at some stage has to take steps into creating a situation where in the future it will be a safer world for all of us, but more importantly, our children. Killing others only causes hatred among their children and loved ones and hatred for a large part drives extremism.

But I have to say, when I heard about the bombs yesterday, I felt nothing but utter contempt myself... it's a complicated world we live in and very rarely is anything black and white, there must be several billion shades of grey

I just find it all extremely sad!!

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