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71. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

I get really angry when an act of terrorism occurs on western soil, or against western interests, and then have to listen to certain people suggest that we try to analyse why these acts of terrorism occured. I find it a very subtle and sneaky way of implying that the terrorist act was somehow deserved.

cikusang, please don't talk to me about the 100 richest men in the world, and somehow try to link them to world poverty. When you imply that they are the real terrorists, you are beginning to sound rather extreme.

Let's not forget how quickly and generously the Western nations rallied to the cause of our muslims friends after the recent tsunami disaster. Al-Qaeda and their associates are forever murdering innocent people in retaliation for so-called injustices done to muslims. Yet I don't recall seeing too much in the way of assistance from them; a perfect opportunity I would have thought to show how much they truly cared for their 'beloved' muslim brothers.

72. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

Quoting james

I get really angry when an act of terrorism occurs on western soil, or against western interests, and then have to listen to certain people suggest that we try to analyse why these acts of terrorism occured. I find it a very subtle and sneaky way of implying that the terrorist act was somehow deserved.

cikusang, please don't talk to me about the 100 richest men in the world, and somehow try to link them to world poverty. When you imply that they are the real terrorists, you are beginning to sound rather extreme.

Let's not forget how quickly and generously the Western nations rallied to the cause of our muslims friends after the recent tsunami disaster. Al-Qaeda and their associates are forever murdering innocent people in retaliation for so-called injustices done to muslims. Yet I don't recall seeing too much in the way of assistance from them; a perfect opportunity I would have thought to show how much they truly cared for their 'beloved' muslim brothers.

All Excellent points! Couldn't have said it any better myself.

73. Posted by summer910 (Respected Member 1342 posts) 11y

Quoting cikusang

I and summer are only a few from Eastern to give our opinions...

What's that got to do with anything?!

74. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

Quoting james

... then have to listen to certain people suggest that we try to analyse why these acts of terrorism occured.

Certainly you realise you do not "have" to do anything? I do understand what you are saying though. A terrible attack has occured and here I am turning it into a learning experience.

Perhaps I can explain my position. I think caring for the world is important. And with that I believe that for caring to be a complete act one must care for all sides and all facets of life. It can be hard. And certainly if my family was killed it would make it much more difficult.

My brother (in law) lives in downtown london and if it so happened he was killed on a train explosion it would hurt me, but I would hold the same position. The position against violence and knee-jerk reactions to any bad situation in the world.

When something of this nature happens forums, newspapers, television shows and radio shows all start pointing fingers. Trying by any means to find the "persons" resposible. This is why I try to voice my opinion. I do not mean to analyse as much as tie the situation with others. By somehow showing both sides have no reason for such hate, I hope to at least help a few people find peace in our world.

75. Posted by IronChef (Full Member 1076 posts) 11y

I haven't read the whole thread, yet, but I think that we have to realize that we are looking back at something that happened rationally and for some of us, also, emotionally. Hard to do when you are dealing with fanatical people. I'm sure there was a lot of pre-meditation in the acts but the basis for this - wherever their mind was at - I don't think we can comprehend. I didn't lose anyone in 9-11 but my stepmom works in Manhattan at Columbia University and I know that once again people are very scared and pretty darn shook up in NYC.

My thoughts and prayers go out to those who passed away and suffered in another senseless tragedy.

76. Posted by mim (Travel Guru 1276 posts) 11y

Quoting james

I get really angry when an act of terrorism occurs on western soil, or against western interests, and then have to listen to certain people suggest that we try to analyse why these acts of terrorism occured. I find it a very subtle and sneaky way of implying that the terrorist act was somehow deserved

"deserved" was neve r ever mentioned, I think you've misunderstood or mis-construed the point

77. Posted by Travel100 (Travel Guru 1556 posts) 11y

When do you try and understand what the root causes are for these actions, and that their are two side to the story, etc.? And when do you say this is a WAR and we must be pro-active, eliminate the enemy and win the war? Is there some magic point where you say, trying to understand these people will not do it and rooting them out and either killing or capturing them is the proper course of action. It sounds like people are suggesting that we try and understand WHy these "terrorists" did what they did (blow up 3 trains, 1 bus, killin over 50 innocent people and wounding 700, plus Madrid, Bali, 9/11, etc..).

There must of come a time (probably a bit late) when the time had passed for trying to understanding Hitler (and realizing it was war, and eliminating the enemy). Same with pol Pot in Cambodia, he had a vision, when do you stop trying understand the reasons why and just eleiminate the evil people? 10's of millions of people died during WW2, if these terrorists had the capability to use a nucular bomb on London, instead of the 4 small bombs they used, and if they could have destroyed all of London, killing ALL the inhabiants, do you really think they wouldn't do it. If these terrorists could kill 10's of millions in 1 day they would.

So the question is, when do you realize that it is a war, and make a committment to win the war. Unfortunately since the dawn of man, there have been wars, and unfortunately there are a lot of evil people in this World, war seems to be part of human condition.

Anyway, I'm just wondering, if they kill 50 people do you post something that says there are two sides to the story and we should try and understand the people who caused the attack? What is London was eliminated form the map by a nucular attack (do you post the same post???). Where do you draw the line? When do you say this is a war and fight it with the same committment that has won wars in the past?

78. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

Quoting mim

"deserved" was neve r ever mentioned, I think you've misunderstood or mis-construed the point

I'm not sure what point you think I'm referring to mim, as I wasn't referring to a specific point made on this forum.

There is a lot of talk in the media, and from certain sections of society, that perhaps the UK should in effect, "take a good look at itself" in relation to these bombings. To me, this general attitude is one of "you must have done something to bring this on yourself".

The actual word "deserved" doesn't have to be explicitly spelt out.

79. Posted by Kristie79 (Full Member 225 posts) 11y

You know what, my little bro (well he's 18 now but still a baby to me) was working in London all last week. When I heard on Thursday morning what had happened, naturally I panicked. It took me half an hour to get hold of him because the network had gone down. I can tell you that that half an hour was the longest half an hour of my life, I have never felt such panic. When I finally got through you could hear nothing but sirens and sheer chaos.
He is fine though, thank god.
My heart goes out to everyone that has been affected by this atrocity.
Lets just hope that they find the bastards.

Kristie x

80. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Quoting Blitz198

Complete freaking idiots. They're deranged and all deserve to die. I'm not usually the "violence is the answer" type of person, but I do think they all just need to be blown up. That goes for saddam hussien too.

As an aside, I saw the movie Downfall a little while back - about the last days Hitler and his entourage spent in their bunker, as the allies were winning the war around them. It showed the 'human' side of Hitler - that he wasn't a monster, but a man. When talking about Hitler, Sadaam Hussein, Bin Laden, etc., I think we have to keep in mind that they weren't born evil incarnate. They are not sick, twisted monsters - as that would imply they have no choice but to do evil. That would mean their "disease" was in control of their actions, and it would erase them from blame.

Instead, they are human beings - like you and I - who made a conscious choice to hurt other human beings. They have the capacity and the ability to CHOOSE. They are mentally stable and legally sane. And they've chosen to impose their beliefs and sense of hierarchy on the world and do harm to their fellow man. We can't whitewash them with the "monster" label. They are as guilty as any other legally sane person who's killed another human being for their own benefit.