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21. Posted by galka_mak (Full Member 169 posts) 11y

All those generalizations sometimes make a real problems :(
For example very often Ukrainians are not still known as separate nationality, mostly we are all considered as Russians. We're quite the same but it's general opinion that Russian turists are greedy, foolish and always poor and drunk. Yes, in Russia and also in Ukraine there are lot of people which could be characterized like this but also as in all other countries I think. But mainly the people are quite different! All my friends, all my relatives, all the people who I know are interesting, polite and nice! But when I travel the first reaction from the people who don't know me to the fact that I'm from Ukraine is "Oh...then no comments..." WHY? Generalization is the awful thing for light-weight people I think... no offence meant.

22. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

I left this thread alone because it was a "discussion" piece... But, it is becoming very reminiscent of a previously posted thread concerning the stereotyping of different nationalities.

I don't believe that there is any one person who travels that hasn't found someone else annoying at some point or at some other destination. Try as we may not to, we all have some preconceived idea of what a particular nationality will be like. More often than not, we are proven wrong, and thankfully so.

I could generalize until hell froze over about Canadians, Americans, Germans, Japanese, Russians, Australians, Jamaicans, Cubans, and almost every other nationality - but it serves no purpose and I would be wrong in more ways than I would be right. Such comments border on bigotry, if it doesn't actually cross the line. A few annoying travelers from other countries do not define the whole of travelers from those countries. And, the most annoying travelers I have encountered have been from my own country - but they do not represent me.

My suggestion to you, Daniel - stay home. Then you won't have to worry about putting up with "theiving Isrealis", "no comment Americans", "loud, drunk Australians", "uptight Germans", or "unintelligent Spaniards". It will also save the rest of us from having to encounter a "bigoted Canadian".

Making such comments and generalizations hurt more people's feelings than it does in prompting genuine discussion. With the way this is progressing, I really want to close this thread. Instead, I will hold off for the time being.

My apologies to the Isrealis, Americans, Austrailians, Germans, Spaniards, and Canadians. I was using Daniel's own descriptions to make a point, not express my own personal opinion on each nationality.

23. Posted by john7buck (Respected Member 458 posts) 11y

If you're looking for the bad in people, you'll more than likely find it somewhere. Same goes for the good. Your choice.

24. Posted by moscowmetr (Full Member 267 posts) 11y

Quite amazing that this thread produced such response or discussion as it were.
Isadora, much thanks for leaving it up. I was actually thinking it wouldn't stand for more then a minute. sehr cool. I truly beleive that if people got off their so called "PC soapbox" and truly spoke their minds then many problems could be much easily solved. Truth hurts, if everybody likes you then you dont really have much of a personality, meaning that you never take a stand on any type of hard hitting issues.
Cant we all loosen up, geez...we all have our flaws...its called being human. I stink like maple syrup and have a hockey stick stuck up my arse, and yes I am Canadian. At least the loud drunk Aussies and Kiwis can have a little good natured banter between them...I love them. To the Americans, I suppose I have no commment....

25. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Quoting moscowmetr

I truly beleive that if people got off their so called "PC soapbox" and truly spoke their minds then many problems could be much easily solved.

Trying to pass off flat-out generalizations as truth has nothing to do with getting off the PC Soapbox. In fact, it has everything to do with creating the kind of misunderstanding and hatred that sparks such things as war and genocide.

What good can possibly come of a conversation that goes: "Oh hello! I hear you're a Spaniard. You must be pretty stupid."

Quoting moscowmetr

Truth hurts...

I'm afraid you have mixed up the meaning of "truth" with the meaning of "my own bigoted opinion".

26. Posted by john7buck (Respected Member 458 posts) 11y

Daniel,

If you have an ax to grind against Americans, fair enough. We all know the stereotypes and I'd agree with you on most, if not all. I just don't think this is the place to do it, as from what I can tell the people on this site (and I include all nationalities in this statement) are among the most open-minded and friendly people in the world; all with a common passion.

I'm sure Springer has a website somewhere if you want to go after those who have earned their reputation. If you want to argue about something that matters, let's talk Bertuzzi's reinstatement to the NHL, which is what I've been doing with my Vancouver friends over the last week.

I'm all for debate, I just think if you go back and read what you wrote, it's a little insulting.

27. Posted by john7buck (Respected Member 458 posts) 11y

if everybody likes you then you dont really have much of a personality, meaning that you never take a stand on any type of hard hitting issues.

And careful, you're starting to sound like one American you may have heard of.

28. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting Mikey B

'moscowmetr' is however a perfect example of why generalisations cannot hope to accurately sum up an entire nationality

This one cracked me up :)

29. Posted by Clarabell (Travel Guru 1696 posts) 11y

I haven't been on here for ages, and since then I have been travelling a lot.

I am English, and tend to steer clear of other English backpackers, unless like me they're travelling alone. Embarassing. Often in big groups with their school friends and can be a bit cliquey. Plus, I don't really like going halfway across the globe and hearing the same accents, I may as well be in Surrey.

In defence of the Americans, I think the annoying ones with the bad reputation tend to either stay at home or go on expensive packages, the 16 European countries in 2 weeks sort of thing. You don't meet all that many proper independent travellers from the states, but those i've met have been great and not at all like the stereotypes (they're probably travelling to escape them). Apart from loud voices, but thats ok cos i have crap hearing.

30. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 11y

Quoting moscowmetr

Cant we all loosen up, geez...we all have our flaws...its called being human.

Hi Moscowmetr

Didnt you just negate all your previous comments with this very insightful one.

You're absolutely right, we all have our flaws, its called being human...not "being Irish" or "being Australian" or whatever...

I understand what you're trying to debate. If I'm honest with myself, like lots of other people, I'm prone to an odd spate of nationality bashing.

e.g.

"God almighty, could those <****ian>tourists get any louder!"

Those <******ans> should feck off home, coming over here, taking our jobs and our men!

I've no time for those ***ish - 10,000 yrs of oppression!!


But of course, I dont really mean a word of it.

I dont like to be stereotyped myself so I try not to do it to others.