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11. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

yep, better to stay off of ever so unpredictable international politics and nationalism which supports it

12. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Calcruzer, no apology is needed for your comments. Personally, because I also know people in New Orleans, I agree with you. Just as people are going to comment on statements made by the Mayor of Biloxi, people are going to comment on Germany's Environmental Minister and his statements. There are much larger issues at hand to be concerned with than a few ill-spoken words.

In the same vein, the forum threads are open to discussion on many levels. I hope you will reconsider you comment about confining your posts to just travel-related information. Yes, It is a travel-related website, but it is also so much more than that. It is an exchange of information, ideas and opinions. I always find your replies to be informative, interesting and enjoy reading them. I look forward to more.

13. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

I actually don't mind old George W, but it irks me a bit when he refers to the West as being the "civilised world".

Given the calamity in New Orleans, we are all capable of descending into chaos given the right (wrong!) conditions. Being civilised is not confined to Westerners, and being uncivilisd is not confined to people of the Middle East.

14. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 11y

Quoting jeffG

"It's almost unimaginable - stranded people, lack of supplies, people killing each other for what appears to be the sport of it... It's like a war zone,"

It IS imaginable - Now we can understand what Iraq must have been like when Baby Bush Bombed innocent civilians (and innocent non-civilians)

...and what it was like in India last xmas, and in Austria this summer, and in....well goes on and on and on

sorry had to say it! - jeff steps down from his soap box.

Jeff I am glad you got off the soap box, Speakers's Corner I would guess. Are you forgetting Mr. Blair was also involved in above mentioned conflict? Let's get back to travel, not politics.

15. Posted by coldwarspy (Travel Guru 1108 posts) 11y

yeah i know Blair and Bush are in bed together. Truth is Im American though and feel that I have the right to express my opinion wherever I am, in the UK or USA. And If our country cant figure out to handle a storm we knew was comin for 4 days, what are we gna do when the Terrorists strike again, with NO warning?! and tehy will! its a mess, all of it - Homeland Security is responsible for this cleanup and should have been more proactive.
Even GW said it was "unacceptable".

And Travel is Politics - its all around us.

16. Posted by moscowmetr (Full Member 267 posts) 11y

Quoting Isadora

In the same vein, the forum threads are open to discussion on many levels.....Yes, It is a travel-related website, but it is also so much more than that. It is an exchange of information, ideas and opinions.

If this is coming from SuperMod Isadora I will take it as the only truth I have ever known.

What happened in New Orleans, the aftermath and the lack of attention by the Fed. Government is one of the most disgusting events I have been witness to in my life. The Beslan massacre the only thing I can think of worse.

Is it no surprise that I would never live in the United American States. I believe the reason that it took so long to get the relief there is simply that the govenment does not care about the people that were left behind. The underbelly of American soiety, the weak and the poor. Could just imagine the question in Bush an Co. heads; Why not allow most of these "burdens upon society" kill each other as long as we can? What also is absolutly mind boggling are the stories of rape and murder at the convention centre and Superdome, which were commonplace on Thursday and Friday nights

On 9/11 when Manhatten was isolated after they closed the bridges and tunnels, people were risking there lives to save total strangers. They werent robbing Saks Fifth Av. or microwaves. New Yorkers stood together. What happened in N.O makes me so sick to my stomach. I also have to shake my head at reading US dailies comparing this to the Tsunami last Christmas, hundreds of thousands died.

My heart goes out to all those that had to experience the terror in New Orleans. It is absolutly heart wrentching to see what is going on there. It really showed what sicknesses America the great are dealing with. We should set up a TP drive to get some money together for the Red Cross or something.

17. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

I agree that the events happening at present in New Orleans are horrific - as they were for the victims of the tsunami, and are currently for the victims of the typhoon which recently hit China and Taiwan. But, all the finger pointing and sniping about the situation is not going to change the rescue efforts - not in the real world nor on this forum. Keeping that in mind, remember that people visiting this forum will click on this thread thinking it will give them information about traveling to the Louisiana/Mississippi area, not a strictly political to and fro. Yes, travel and politics go hand in hand in many ways, but let's keep it informative, rather than a commentary on what is not right with the world.

Good dialogue can only occur when personal attacks are left out of the equation. If necessary, I will have no problem moving this thread to the Off Topic forum. But, I do hope that action will not be required.

18. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 11y

"What happened in New Orleans, the aftermath and the lack of attention by the Fed. Government is one of the most disgusting events I have been witness to in my life. The Beslan massacre the only thing I can think of worse."

I will allow your age and perhaps memory to justify the above quote, but come on. You are old enough to remember the massacre of the Tutsi by the Hutu in Rwanda in 94. Over 800,000 killed by machete while the Western countries & the UN in particular, stood by. Rent 'Hotel Rwanda' to refresh your memory. Getting aid several days slower than optimal to NO is comparable? Did you not follow the news when thousands of children had their limbs hacked off by machete in Sierra Leone? Why? To try and control the diamond industry in that part of Africa. Have you not keep abreast with the continuing tragedy in the Dofar region of Somalia? Thousands dead, thousands made into refuges. Slow response time to a hurricane is comparable to the willful slaughter of millions in Africa in the last few years? I know Katrina and its aftermath are in the news, but try to maintain some perspective when comparing tragedies on a world stage.

'Moscowmetr', do a little reading on what has happened and is happening in Africa and tell me it is comparable to the Federal response to Katrina. I did not use as an example the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia because you were too young to remember it. Rent 'Killing Fields" if you need an example of how inhumane people can be to others.

19. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 11y

Quoting moscowmetr

I also have to shake my head at reading US dailies comparing this to the Tsunami last Christmas, hundreds of thousands died.

I know a lot of people find the comparison insensitive. To be honest, I actually think it's a reasonable comparison of devastation. Yes, a LOT more people died in the Tsunami. But, at the same time, there were individual regions/countries that were affected in quite similar ways with very similar death tolls, who suffered similarly. For that reason, even if the death toll had remained at several dozen, I could see some justification in saying 'this is our Tsunami'. Both have been monumental tragedies of natural causes. On the other hand, there was at least some warning for the hurricane. And it is certainly true that the Tsunami was a far greater tragedy on the world scale, affecting not only more people, but also people with far less capacity to recover. Both have certainly been extremely sad moments in recent history.

20. Posted by moscowmetr (Full Member 267 posts) 11y

I will allow your age and perhaps memory to justify the above quote, but come on. You are old enough to remember the massacre of the Tutsi by the Hutu in Rwanda in 94. Over 800,000 killed by machete while the Western countries & the UN in particular, stood by. Rent 'Hotel Rwanda' to refresh your memory. Getting aid several days slower than optimal to NO is comparable? Did you not follow the news when thousands of children had their limbs hacked off by machete in Sierra Leone? Why? To try and control the diamond industry in that part of Africa. Have you not keep abreast with the continuing tragedy in the Dofar region of Somalia? Thousands dead, thousands made into refuges. Slow response time to a hurricane is comparable to the willful slaughter of millions in Africa in the last few years? I know Katrina and its aftermath are in the news, but try to maintain some perspective when comparing tragedies on a world stage.

Refreshing the mind to some of the travesties in Africa is noted. I, however most definetly do not need to be reminded of the horrors of ethnic cleansing and I am not going to make a rank of which hells are better or worse, or whatever.

My perspective is the fact that Absolutist or Autocratic or De jure or basically no reconized central governments in the African countries you mentioned where the political landscape can only be descibed as anarchy, were a direct cause of the mentioned genocides.

America, with its creed of democracy and an attitute to promote strong capitalist government propoganda with a obvious goal of spreading this ideology all over the world can by no means be compared. Especially waging a war to replace established governments with their own philosophy, costing what would have amounted to tens of thousands of perfectly executed Katarina rescue operations.

What is disgusting to me are the blatant lies America promotes as it principals and then simply forgets the underbelly of its society to rot. Just like America forgot about the people of Africa who are not even Americans, since that ofcourse seems to matter.

Beslan was terrible in the sense that an established government were unable to stop radicals from murdering children on their first day of school, there is nothing more terrible then that.

man, I cant believe anyone who would spend their time in a place of such absolute waste of energy and resources on top of total moral decay as Las Vegas, My vote for the stupidist city on the planet.