Skip Navigation

New Orleans is about to be totalled!

Travel Forums North America New Orleans is about to be totalled!

Page

Last Post

31. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

I secon.er.....third that emotion!!

32. Posted by farleyUL (Full Member 125 posts) 11y

This is in response to those of you who say, "America has the money, all they have to do is cut military spending." While I completely disagree with the military campaign in Iraq, I think people are quick to forget the aid that the United States gives to other countries. We practically rebuilt the world after WWII and are constantly sending aid to other, less fortunate countries. Are we the model of perfection? Most definitely not. But who is? America, for the most part (to a lesser extent right now with Bush as President), has consistently acted in the best interest of the global community over the past 100 years...lest you not forget that. There are certainly some countries that the same cannot be said for...

33. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Although I highly disagree with your notion that the U.S. "practically rebuilt the world after WWII", I want to underline (again - I'm not sure how else to put it anymore) that this was not meant to be political - not to be an account of who owes who what, from when, and for how long. Countries are sending supplies and boats and other tangible necessities because the U.S. is their neighbour and economic partner and because there are people in immediate need.

What I mean is simply this: Every day, for decades, people in the world's poorest countries have been dying by the thousands from diseases that are prevantable, of AIDS, of starvation, malnutrition, you name it. A catastrophe like Hurricane Katrina isn't new - it is a small-scale form of some of the most horrific disasters and crises that exist right now around the world in countries with NO MONEY, NO INFRASTRUCTURE, NO FOOD, NO EDUCATION, no nothing.

But the U.S. has money - it has to, it's THE world superpower. Do we all of a sudden shift funds from needy counteirs to help out a country that has the funding to help itself?

Here's how I try to put it into perspective: I'm a resient of New Orleans, stranded on my rooftop. I'm hungry and cold and I've lost everything I own. The National Guard finds me and shifts me off to a shelter, where it's cramped and uncomfortable but where I can get something to eat and drink. I don't know where some of my family is and I don't know what's next. But I have hope.

Or

I'm four years old and I live in Ethiopia. My parents have died of AIDS, my brother is a child soldier, my sister was raped and killed, my relatives don't want me, I'm dying of cholera, and I have no place to go and no one around me cares.

If you think I'm exaggerating, I assure you I'm not. This is the reality for millions upon millions of people in some of the poorest places on the globe. The U.S. is not poor - it's a first world country at the top of the list. It's going through a crisis and the people need help - from anywhere and anyone who can offer it. They deserve to be helped. But - again - it is not a crisis of third-world proportions. I think we've all been numbed by photos from Africa and Central America and reilluminated by what's happeing in the U.S. today.

Off soapbox now - hopefully for good.

34. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 11y

Quoting moscowmetr


"man, I cant believe anyone who would spend their time in a place of such absolute waste of energy and resources on top of total moral decay as Las Vegas, My vote for the stupidist city on the planet.

Well, some would certainly agree that Las Vegas is a monument to greed and sinful behavoir. Our motto; "If it is worth doing, it is worth overdoing!" Certainly an shining example to consumerism.

There is normal city here in addition to the 'Strip' and the casinos. Vegas has been the fastest growing city for the last 15 years. Almost 2 million now reside in Vegas and surrounding suburbs. Over 40 million now visit every year. Not your cup of tea, but popular with Americans and foreign visitors alike. 'Viva Las Vegas!' As Elvis once so memorably sang.

35. Posted by coldwarspy (Travel Guru 1108 posts) 11y

argh was tryin to stay clear of this post but had to comment on : "rebuilt the world after WWII"

America and the Allies put there money in place, postwar, to help build a secure market for capitalism by building puppet dictatorships to counter act the dictatorships Stalin's Boys in red were setting up mainly, in the Balkans and Poland. We never put our money into somethin without gettin somethin in return. We had to assure that Europe would open its market up after the War to the West.

Same with Isreal, building a more Pro Western Middle East was the Aim.

Hey Mike! - Vegas! just been tryin to turn my Scottish friends on to Swingers...U know the movie??? "Vegas Baby! Vegas!"

36. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 11y

Quoting jeffG

argh was tryin to stay clear of this post but had to comment on : "rebuilt the world after WWII"
Hey Mike! - Vegas! just been tryin to turn my Scottish friends on to Swingers...U know the movie??? "Vegas Baby! Vegas!"

'Swingers' was a hoot. Sad to say, these guys really so exit, in Hollywood and Vegas. Both cities are a magnet for dreamers and wannabees. This was the first time I saw Vince Vaughn in a movie; "You are so money and you don't even know it!" Now he is one of my favorites, loved him in 'Be Cool" and 'Wedding Crashers'. Vegas is a unusual city. Many love it for its flash and constant excitement, others think it is so sinful it should be destroyed by a flood of biblical proportion. Come and enjoy or stay away, that is what freedom is all about!

37. Posted by farleyUL (Full Member 125 posts) 11y

I'm not arrogant enough to believe that the United States rebuilt the entire world itself after WWII, but it certainly played a significant role in doing so, that you cannot argue. And in no way do I intend to downplay the suffering of less fortunate third world countries and say that this catastophe is anything greater than what they experience in day-to-day life. My point was to merely illustrate that most of the rest of the civilized world does indeed have funds it can allocate to the United States, if nothing more than as a sign of gratitude for something the U.S. has done in the past. However, I would also like to point out that the international community is nowhere near vigilant enough in its pursuit of preventing needless suffering from third world countries.

38. Posted by moscowmetr (Full Member 267 posts) 11y

"Oh Mikey you don't want all that "Pirates Of The Caribbean" BS, or the "Rock and Roll Grunge Tip". Guys like you and me gotta kick it here, old school"

Some of the funniest lines ever.

yeah, I suppose there is nothing like snorting a fiddy bag off the breast of some beautiful hollywood cast-away model wannabe in the "rain man" suite after winning 50 grand at a roulette table while just passing through the casino on the way back from a 12th round knock out at a title prize fight.

Those guys are right man, Vegas lost its class somewhere in the 60s. To each their own, not my cup of tea right now. The moral thing? I aint got a peg leg to stand on, really. I just think that it doesnt make any sense whatsoever to buld a city that grows so fast in a place that was never supposed to have people live there to begin with. How do all those new, big suburban homes have greeny, grassy lawns in the middle of a dessert?

39. Posted by coldwarspy (Travel Guru 1108 posts) 11y

Quoting farleyUL

My point was to merely illustrate that most of the rest of the civilized world does indeed have funds it can allocate to the United States, if nothing more than as a sign of gratitude for something the U.S. has done in the past.

ok fair enuff, good point. A gesture of goodwill would be appreciated im sure. But I dont think the problem is a money problem.
It WILL be when we are rebuilding the city again. But right now it seems like it was a mis-management problem.

"You're a big winner. I'm gonna ask you a simple question and I want you to listen to me: who's the big winner here tonight at the casino? Huh? Mikey, that's who. Mikey's the big winner. Mikey wins."

40. Posted by farleyUL (Full Member 125 posts) 11y

...I dont think the problem is a money problem.
It WILL be when we are rebuilding the city again. But right now it seems like it was a mis-management problem.

I agree. While the money never hurts, it won't be a hinderance in the search and rescue/cleanup stages of this thing. However, I don't think the mismanagement was necessarily at the federal level. Rather, it seems to me that the mismanagement and poor planning was at the state and local levels. I guess the fault does lie with the Army Corps of Engingeers for not designing levees and pumps strong enough to handle a hurricane of this magnitute when they knew very well that it was a distinct possibility. However, Gov. Blanco refused to ask for federal help prompting Bush to send it before she asked...unprecendented since 1908 (I think) and the Mayor of New Orleans was slow in ordering the voluntary evacuation and also slow in ordering the mandatory evacuation. He had the resources to get people out of the city (could've comandeered I believe somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 buses to evacuate people) and declined doing that as well. The logistics may have been a problem, but again, poor planning...these things should be worked-out well in advance.