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21. Posted by coldwarspy (Travel Guru 1108 posts) 11y

Q please again i dont undestand, maybe u or CupCake (since she agrees with you so much) can explain to me why my remarks are out of context here since.

This is an Off Topic Post?! This is a politically charged post? Is this a like - "dont let the American comment on an American issue?" Post?

maybe its my Reagonemoics education, but am i missing the punchline here?

22. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

Quoting moscowmetr

Also, you will not see a terrorist attack on Germany where the hatchet men are Islamic fundamentalist. That appartantly is the top concern on the American agenda.

Again, a generalization. That is what is so 'wrong' about this thread...it is full of generalizations. Do not judge an entire country by ONE person. And how can you say 'will not'? All it takes is one person with a bomb and an agenda.

23. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

Quoting jeffG

Quoting james

The world is full of death, destruction and injustices, but none of that seems to matter to those filled with hate towards the US.

WOAH! I am American and therefore have the right to slander and remark as much as I would like about the US. If I was Chinese, or Saudi, or [insert oppresive government here] then I would rant and rave, if I could, about that governement.

But because we have the Right to Freedom of Speech in America, Im goin to use that right wherever and however I feel necessary.

Your an American and therefore have the right to slander? No, that just makes you an ass.
MY point was, the qoute give by the former first lady, Mrs. Bush was taken out of context.

24. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

I think the underlying issue here, that has been mentioned, is that no theory or practice of a gonverning system is complex enough to handle the strain of ruling over Homo Sapien Sapiens.

Now take ants, there is a Queen, and there is everyone else. Everyone else does what is good for the Queen which in turn makes good for everyone.

Now, let us apply this to our system. First we need a "Queen"... but I would rather be called a "King", so call me that instead. Now, after you are all willing to do my bidding we will have world stability and peace!... unless of course the red ants come, then we will have to destroy them for no reason what so ever.

25. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 11y

Brendan;
Well said. Humans are a very flawed group. If we would just follow the most basic rule; "Treat others like you would like to be treated". If we all just did that, armies and police would not be needed. Has not happened in our past and seems very unlikely in our future. We should follow that sage advice by our recent prophet: Rodney King. "Can't, can't we all just get along?"

26. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Thanks Brendan!! You just saved me from having to tell everyone to play nice again. We all have the right to agree or disagree - let's just remember to keep the discussion from sinking... Thanks!

27. Posted by IronChef (Full Member 1076 posts) 11y

Yeah, I feel like I've pretty much said everything I have to say about the political aspects of Hurricane Katrina. I will be now getting down from my podium. May the next speaker, please, step in. I'm gonna go watch this pimp smack his ho down here on 40th Street.

PEACE!

28. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 11y

Quoting moscowmetr

In this case, there are more then enough people here that actually do want to share their political views with like minded people on a forum that obviously covers opinions from all over the world and with other people that are known to have a special common interest beyond just debating politics.

Since this forum is not specifically designated for political discussions, that's good reason NOT to express political viewpoints in this forum. But, I'm not arguing either way.

You misunderstand my argument. Freedom of speech is NOT an absolute and is NOT guaranteed under all circumstances. To invoke freedom of speech as a blanket statement to say someone else should/can not express annoyance or disagreement is not only rude, but an infringement of another person's rights, and a misuse of the concept. If my history teacher is correct, the forefathers of the American constitution were careful to make this point clear. If jeffG is listening, hopefully this explains what the disagreement with your post is. I wanted to make this point because the incorrect use of freedom of speech has hurt a lot of people (I'm thinking travellers specifically) in some very direct ways. For instance to justify "force feeding US political ideals" and the backlash that it has created for Americans abroad as moscowmetr says.

29. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

Exactly VegasMike, people don't want to get shot, beaten, and blown up.. so why do it to someone else? But I don't think I am being taken seriously... I want to all to line up in a big... line, and then we will march around and collect some food and store it for the winter months that are coming up. After that you can have 35 seconds of vacation, then we must collect food for spring.

30. Posted by IronChef (Full Member 1076 posts) 11y

I was refering to your assertion that freedom of speech allows you to "criticise the Government in any forum, and any where, under ANY circumstance we wish.". That is infact not the case. To paraphrase my comments, there are many places where those around you do not want to listen to political discussions. Or more generally the exercising of "freedom of speech" is not appropriate under certain circumstances. The other people in these places have as much right to express their annoyance at you as you have to freedom of speech.

To relate this back to travel. Freedom of speech does not give me the right to disrespect things of cultural significance to other peoples while visiting their home. I find it disgusting that too few people learn this.[/quote]

Thanks for helping to explain this. I had the exact sentiments but I think you have put it into words perfectly.