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11. Posted by FionaNZ (Respected Member 903 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

Hmm, not quite sure if I follow. You mean the link that is next to the forums link at the top of every page. I can still see that one... :) Or is it one in another area?

No, thats it exactly, still isn't there today either

[i]Bad Isa[i]

12. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

I just mean geographically speaking the central american countries are part of North America.

13. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

a stats page (great for the bean counters among us and those that just like to sit and watch the site grow - includes a pretty funky flash graph as well :) ). Linked to from the last 5 users bit on the front page.

We have 11 members from Antarctica!

14. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting FionaNZ

Quoting Sam I Am

Hmm, not quite sure if I follow. You mean the link that is next to the forums link at the top of every page. I can still see that one... :) Or is it one in another area?

No, thats it exactly, still isn't there today either

[i]Bad Isa[i]

Hi Fiona, that's VERY odd as that was one of the things we didn't touch, meaning it would have to have been this way for the past 5 months or so?!? Can you send me a screenshot on infoATtravellerspoint.com just so I can see how it looks?

Quoting Brendan

I just mean geographically speaking the central american countries are part of North America.

That's unfortunately exactly the kind of thing people have been disagreeing over for thousands of years and there's not many websites on the planet that do agree on this. We choose to split off Middle/Central America early on, just as with the Middle East. Theoretically of course if we were looking at continents that would be incorrect (even then I think they'd be South America rather than North but not sure), but we view them more as regions. Still, it's a fine line but one that's more correct this way than including them with North America (and most Cubans, Costa Ricans and so forth would probably agree I guess ).

Greg, haven't you noticed the penguins posting?

15. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

Yeah I suppose I am thinking continents. North America ends after Panama. I just think splitting things up by continent is they way to go.

Splitting things up based on "region" is based on opinion. By going with coninents there is no room for opinions or preference. The only reason I bring the issue up is because time and time again I see reference about North America.

Being in Canada, I see a lot about North America and what I see it people calleding Canada and the United States "North America" which is wrong. Some people include Mexico if they are feeling nice or are talking about NAFTA, but in general people in the media an government and everyone else say that two countries make up North America. And that really gets to me.

I do understand the position you have here, splitting places into managable regions, but I think it is far too open for debate... unless I am the only one that thinks about things like this.

I just believe in consistancy. For example:

You have Scotland and Wales listed as countries in a way, then should also have Chechnya, Quebec, Leon and Tibet no?

From that it seems to me you are not particularly following the absolute state of things.. this leads me to believe you should list Myanmar as Burma considering they were renamed by the military junta in power, and the people still want to be Burmese.

This all becomes a slippery slope... why name scotland and not Tibet. Etc, etc. The easier thing to do would be follow the geographical state of things. Wales and Scotland are part of the UK, Tibet is part of China, Central America is part of North America. There are no fuzzy lines this way.

Thank you and have a nice day!

16. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

Greg, haven't you noticed the penguins posting?

Dude, I didn't even notice that the topic had already been covered in THIS VERY THREAD, you'd expect me to notice penguins running around?

17. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

Yeah I suppose I am thinking continents. North America ends after Panama. I just think splitting things up by continent is they way to go.

Splitting things up based on "region" is based on opinion. By going with coninents there is no room for opinions or preference. The only reason I bring the issue up is because time and time again I see reference about North America.

Unfortunately that's not entirely true either. There's several different opinions on what constitutes a continent, let alone which continent a country would then belong to. Put it this way; are there 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 continents? I have heard all being argued with varied levels of success. I was always taught 7 but I know of tons of other people that were taught otherwise. The entire matter is really subjective, whether you're using regions or continents.

Would Turkey be a part of Asia or Europe if a continent?
Where would Irak/Iran etc. end up; Asia? Europe? Both seem like huge stretches.
Why do you say Panama is where North America ends for example? That's a geographical distinction that you might feel is accurate but tons of others would tend to disagree, most likely even map makers amongst themselves (where is gelli :) , I know we've had discussions about this before ?!)...
How about a country like Akrotiri? The CIA states it as a separate country which they don't do for Wales/Scotland which would be far more logical to list as separates.

I'm afraid that no matter in what way you plan to break these up, it's just not that black and white. There's a ton of grey areas regarding what constitutes a country and where it should be grouped (not in the least because no one can exactly outline what constitues a continent/region). We drew lines in the grey areas that we are comfortable with (and occasionally update as things change) but naturally someone else might do this totally different. I'm sure it's a discussion which we'll have every now and then

18. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

hehe

Well thanks for the answer, you make some good points.

19. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 11y

Here's the other thing. If we were to group by continents, then what continent would New Zealand be part of? Australia is a continent of its own and as far as I know, New Zealand isn't part of any continent. Same for all the other little islands scattered throughout the South Pacific. Grouping them by region allows us to conveniently group them under the label of 'Oceania', which is not a continent.

20. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

well maybe they are not part of a continent for a reason...