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101. Posted by mally (Respected Member 199 posts) 10y

this terrorism thing is nothing to do with believing in god. god gave us so called freedom of thought. this was so we could work out good from evil. i don't like fanatism in any religion . it has no place. after all . all thing change in life nothing is static and everyone is the centre of the universe. i like to be able to walk in any house of god freely and without any hassle . it has always been easier to take down than to construct. not everyone can make a light bulb but most people know how to smash one. in the next 100 years we'll see everything has change . hopefully for the better.

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103. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 10y

If poverty causes mass-murder, why aren't there any peons from the slums of Mexico City flying planes into the Pentagon? Or the poor from the favelas of Rio, or the untouchables in Calcutta?
If historical wars are to blame, why don't Austrians plant bombs in Istanbul? I mean, the muslim Ottoman armies tried to destroy Vienna twice in the 17th century, 300 years after the Crusaders had been expelled from the Holy Land.
If you actually want to understand the causes of Islamic terrorism, check out al-Ghazali, Ibn Tamiyya (the wellspring of justified murder), the Wahhabist nutter Mohammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the philosophical mentor of Bin Liner , Sayyid Qutb).

cikusang,
Your post November 6th 2005 in response to my personal opinion on Islam could easily induce paranoia. My posts are being 'monitored'? By who? A group of jihadis (holy warriors of Islam) adding my personal details to a database of 'Enemies Of Islam'?
Actually, that wouldn't surprise me in the least.
You failed to give any response to my examples of Islamic inspired murder or any reasoned rebuttal of my opinion of Islam, but instead mentioned 'anger among moslem believers who frequent TP'. Was that a warning that moslem fanatics may wish me violence, and therefore I should keep my opinions about Islam to myself?
Your assertion that 'words kill' is a nonsense. The REACTION to words kill, and that seems to be the only response the Islamic world ever makes to a supposed insult, criticism, calls for reform or holding to account for it's violent medievalism.
Just ask Salman Rushdie, Bagladeshi author Taslima Nasreen who fled to Sweden after a death fatwa, Irshad Manji, Theo van Gogh (sorry, can't ask him as he was ritually slaughtered in an Amsterdam street by a devout moslem),etc, etc.
Mentioning Harold Pinter in your post was an absolute cracker. Let's make a comparison with old Harry and Naguib Mahfouz, Egypt's winner of the 1988 Nobel Prize in literature.
On October 14, 1994, Egyptian novelist Naguib Mahfouz was stabbed and seriously wounded by a Muslim extremist on a Cairo street. Some Muslim revivalists had regarded his novel, Children of Gebelawi, as slander and idolatry on account of its thinly veiled depiction of the Prophet Muhammad, and he had also confronted the totalitarianism of the Islamists in Egypt in his writing.
Harry Pinter screams his anger and hatred at the USA, the UK and western democracy, supports the communist tyranny in Cuba and lives richly and peacefully somewhere in the society he so eloquently hates. His right to express cultural self-loathing is a given in my world.
Still, that's democracy for you, a system of government initially devised thousand of years before Islam was invented, and a society which has brought freedom, security and wealth to the millions of moslem faithful who have emigrated to the West from the disaster of the Arab world.

Let's read some thoughts from the faithful.

Six months after 9/11, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf made a speech at a scientific conference and said -
"The Muslim Ummah, or the Islamic world, is the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race."
His solution was that Islamic countries will remain backward unless they concentrate more on scientific and technological development. A sick joke when you consider the fact that Pakistan's leading nuclear scientist (Dr. Khan) was flogging nuclear weapon systems to every thief, thug and tyrant in the anti-democratic world (Libya, Iran and North Korea).
Add the English Reading university education of Malaysian bomb-maker 'Whats-his-dead-face' and Illyich Ulyanov would be proud.
'The capitalist West will give us the rope to hang them by' has been hijacked.
Islamism and Communism are very similar. The sacred book (Koran - Das Kapital), the prophet (Mohammed - Marx), the promised land (God's perfect Islamic world - Worker's Paradise), and the mass-murder needed to achieve it.

The most truthful description of Islam I have ever read follows -

'Innocent religion is now a message of hate' by Abdel Rahman al-Rashed
(Filed: 05/09/2004)

It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims.
The hostage-takers of children in Beslan, North Ossetia, were Muslims. The other hostage-takers and subsequent murderers of
the Nepalese chefs and workers in Iraq were also Muslims. Those involved in rape and murder in Darfur, Sudan, are Muslims,
with other Muslims chosen to be their victims.
Those responsible for the attacks on residential towers in Riyadh and Khobar were Muslims. The two women who crashed two airliners last week were also Muslims.
Bin Laden is a Muslim. The majority of those who manned the suicide bombings against buses, vehicles, schools, houses and buildings, all over the world, were Muslim.
What a pathetic record. What an abominable "achievement". Does all this tell us anything about ourselves, our societies and our culture?
These images, when put together, or taken separately, are shameful and degrading. But let us start with putting an end to a history of denial. Let us acknowledge their reality, instead of denying them and seeking to justify them with sound and fury signifying nothing.
For it would be easy to cure ourselves if we realise the seriousness of our sickness. Self-cure starts with self-realisation and confession. We should then run after our terrorist sons, in the full knowledge that they are the sour grapes of a deformed culture.
Let us listen to Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Sheikh - the Qatar-based radical Egyptian cleric - and hear him recite his "fatwa" about the religious permissibility of killing civilian Americans in Iraq. Let us contemplate the incident of this religious Sheikh allowing, nay even calling for, the murder of civilians.
This ailing Sheikh, in his last days, with two daughters studying in "infidel" Britain, soliciting children to kill innocent civilians.
How could this Sheikh face the mother of the youthful Nick Berg, who was slaughtered in Iraq because he wanted to build communication towers in that ravished country? How can we believe him when he tells us that Islam is the religion of mercy and peace while he is turning it into a religion of blood and slaughter?
In a different era, we used to consider the extremists, with nationalist or Leftist leanings, a menace and a source of
corruption because of their adoption of violence as a means of discourse and their involvement in murder as an easy shortcut to their objectives.
At that time, the mosque used to be a haven, and the voice of religion used to be that of peace and reconciliation. Religious
sermons were warm behests for a moral order and an ethical life.
Then came the Neo-Muslims. An innocent and benevolent religion, whose verses prohibit the felling of trees in the absence of
urgent necessity, that calls murder the most heinous of crimes, that says explicitly that if you kill one person you have killed humanity as a whole, has been turned into a global message of hate and a universal war cry.
We can't call those who take schoolchildren as hostages our own.
We cannot tolerate in our midst those who abduct journalists, murder civilians, explode buses; we cannot accept them as related to us, whatever the sufferings they claim to justify their criminal deeds. These are the people who have smeared Islam and stained its image.
We cannot clear our names unless we own up to the shameful fact that terrorism has become an Islamic enterprise; an almost exclusive monopoly, implemented by Muslim men and women.
We cannot redeem our extremist youths, who commit all these heinous crimes, without confronting the Sheikhs who thought it ennobling to re-invent themselves as revolutionary ideologues, sending other people's sons and daughters to certain death, while sending their own children to European and American schools and colleges.

Abdel Rahman al-Rashed is general manager of Al- Arabiya news channel. Yesterday, his article appeared in the pan-Arabic

newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat.

MONITOR HIM.

104. Posted by Not Lost (Full Member 132 posts) 10y

Islam is a religion.

Religions do not fight with each other.

It is man who fights man.

So it's got nothing to do with religion.

Trouble only happens when some quarters misinterpret.

So if you know nothing about Islam, do not make any judgments.

105. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

Quoting Not Lost

Islam is a religion.

Religions do not fight with each other.

It is man who fights man.

So it's got nothing to do with religion.

Trouble only happens when some quarters misinterpret.

So if you know nothing about Islam, do not make any judgments.

You're quite right Not Lost. It's not Islam that is to blame; it's the people who 'defend' Islam at all costs. Islam becomes nothing more than an excuse for their actions.

Unfortunately, situations like the mass riots following the recent cartoon scandal don't help convince us that this agression is something limited to a few crazy extremists.

106. Posted by applegirl (Full Member 144 posts) 10y

Quoting Peter

Unfortunately, situations like the mass riots following the recent cartoon scandal don't help convince us that this agression is something limited to a few crazy extremists.

There are about 1.3 billion muslims in the world, don't think that many of them all were involved in the riots to be honest.

But some of the ones who were, are very upset with the way western society show no respect and take no concideration for what for them is holy.

Islam and terror...hm, I just see two extremes playing up for each other.
It is horrifying what the U.S. and British foreign policy can do to create imbalance in the world. Iran is next up, they are on a muslim killing spree, they sure are.

107. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

Quoting applegirl

Quoting Peter

Unfortunately, situations like the mass riots following the recent cartoon scandal don't help convince us that this agression is something limited to a few crazy extremists.

There are about 1.3 billion muslims in the world, don't think that many of them all were involved in the riots to be honest.

But some of the ones who were, are very upset with the way western society show no respect and take no concideration for what for them is holy.

I'm not saying all muslims were there, just that it smashed the theory that there's 'only a few crazy extremists', because there certainly were LOT of people protesting.

I may well be 'upset' by some cartoons in the world, but I'm not about to go burn down buildings in protest and make death threats. That response was disgraceful and already we're seeing media outlets running scared to express their freedom of speech. I for one feel that those riots have caused more real terror than all the other terror attacks combined.

And don't even get me started on the western invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan I've always been firmly opposed.

ok, I'm off to go check my mail for a death threat now

108. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Quoting Not Lost

Islam is a religion.

Religions do not fight with each other.
Neither do guns

It is man who fights man.
Using guns

So it's got nothing to do with religion.
Therefore, guns must not be a problem

Trouble only happens when some quarters misinterpret.
There must be a lot of misinterpreting going on

So if you know nothing about Islam, do not make any judgments.
When people fight in the name of Islam, they have made that judgment for me

109. Posted by applegirl (Full Member 144 posts) 10y

Quoting Peter

And don't even get me started on the western invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan I've always been firmly opposed.

And this is the terror that Muslims are living with.

Terrorism isn't a one way thing, we can't walk around pretending that it's alright to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and kill innocent people. We haven't seen the blood bath that's taken place there (and is continuing, about 36 people killed every day in Baghdad)
To be honest I think these wars, all the killings, has everything to do with the riots after the scandal with these cartoons. The cartoons only worked as a trigger and might seem quite ridicolous in comparison with the wars.

I think the point I'm trying to make is that, we can not see things as simple as the American president: 'we are good people, they are bad people'. An investigation here (U.K) has showed that there wouldn't have been any 7/7 bombings in London if British troops had stayed out of Iraq.

110. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Whilst no supporter of the war in Iraq, I do believe that most of the killings being carried out on muslims are committed by other muslims, not by coalition forces.

Another day, another car bomb or two

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