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11. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 10y

Quoting Sam I Am

What about the President of the States that vowed to root out the 'Access of Evil'??? Or the ultra conservative preacher that figures that America should wack Chavez and invade Iran? The US is a Christian country (considered as such), how could you preach violence if you are the leader of a Christian country (not to mention devoted ultra-conservative Christian yourself...). And why did the people choose this guy????

Well I agree with you......and America is the other side of the story!!! Bush made some stupid decisions in the past (e.g attacking Irak in 2003 without decent proof of Iraqi mass-destruction weapons), and I understand why "Islamic" people (or people from Islamic nations in general) hate Bush and therefore America (I don't like him either though). But I don't find this a reason to attack the west with bombs on "soft" targets every once at a while (many innocent people dying). But at the other hand America has killed many innocent people in Afghanistan, Iraq as well.......so who is to blame!!!! You could also say that the middle-east fights back, and this their way!!!

12. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 10y

Quoting Sam I Am

[quote=wouterrr]What about the President of the States that vowed to root out the 'Access of Evil'??? Or the ultra conservative preacher that figures that America should wack Chavez and invade Iran?

Uh, Sam? that's "Axis of Evil"....trying to resurrect the patriotism of WWII.

Yes, America has more than our share of religious whackjobs....but they certainly don't represent the country as a whole......just as whackjobs everywhere generally don't represent their countries either.

Generally, these zealot whackjobs are ill-educated people (even though they may hold uni degrees) that are afraid of that which they don't understand, afraid of something different, afraid of losing a grip on their power over people. Power and greed are at the root of these peoples' pyches. Evil, just plain evil....

Bad whackjobs, bad

13. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 10y

Quoting beerman

Uh, Sam? that's "Axis of Evil"....trying to resurrect the patriotism of WWII.

Oh boy, it's official. How did I ever type that??? Must go and get some coffee and wake up now!!!

14. Posted by applegirl (Full Member 144 posts) 10y

Thanks Sam.
wouterrr needs to perhaps get his news from other sorces than just mainstream (American) ones your post was the worst bollocks I've heard for a while (excuse my language - I was gonna write 'pardon my french' but don't want to offend any french people on this lovely forum ;))

If you moved to Iran/Afghanistan/Palestine etc wouterrr, perhaps you would be able to better understand that some people (a minority though, I'd like to point out) resorts to (counter)-terrorism) Btw, the word terrorism and terrorists are being used in a funny way these days - it doesn't seem to include what American and English soldiers are doing in Iraq - the war there has been a huge blood bath where thousands of innocent people have lost their lifes. And it can not be compared on any scale to the attacks in New York, Madrid, London etc

Same goes for Palestine - and I think it can be said that Ariel Sharon would be very happy to wipe out the Palestinian state (he is perhaps not so outspoken about it tho as the Iranian president..) He hasn't done one thing to reach out his hand towards the Palestinians after several attempts from their side to move forward. I recently saw a very interesting documentary on BBC about the twists and turns around the peace process and how absolutley appalling Sharon has been. There's been several attacks towards Hamas which has ended with mainly innocent children being killed. Seeing mutilated Palestinian children on tv is sickening to say the least... and then Sharon comment on it and say "it's not as bad as it seems" (???!)

Please do read up on your history wouterrr, as has been said here before. And try to look up different and alternative sources to inform yourself about what's happening in the world (Pilger, Chomsky to name a couple) and you shall not have to be so confused about the 'mystery of Islamic terrorism'.

I condemn all violence - not just the violence commited by Islamic Fundamentalists.

15. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 10y

Let's try and keep the postings on a non-personal level please.

Regarding the 'American' mainstream media. I know the Dutch media and they are certainly a lot less pro-American than the UK media ... :)

Phew, the Palestine discussion. Another tough one

16. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 10y

Quoting applegirl

Thanks Sam.
wouterrr needs to perhaps get his news from other sorces than just mainstream (American) ones your post was the worst bollocks I've heard for a while. If you moved to Iran/Afghanistan/Palestine etc wouterrr, perhaps you would be able to better understand that some people (a minority though, I'd like to point out) resorts to (counter)-terrorism) .

Actually I have been to Iran and have met its very friendly people (its indeed a minority that resort to terrorism). But still terrorist attacks of extremists occur frequently. And I find it strange that mullahs and Emams don't condemn these attacks. Apparently they justify these attacks. These terrorists use islam to justify their killings to achieve political power. The religious islam rejects violence, but why is it happening and why no religious leader condemns it.

But as I said before, applegirl, its two sides of the story, America is the other side (I've read the books of Micheal Moore).

17. Posted by applegirl (Full Member 144 posts) 10y

Isn't it a funny thing then that the American administration have appointed these religious leaders who DON'T condemn the terrorist attacks for many important posts in the Iraqi government?

Iraq was a secularised country before the invation and most Iraqis wanted to keep it that way - however the Bush administration had other plans!
It's quite obvious that the american government wants to fuel and feed these conflicts rather than end them, would they admit to it tho? Of course not, they just want to to gain complete power over the Middle East and the oil - they don't care about spreading democracy. If they do I have to wonder about why haven't they intervened in Zimbabwe where president Mugabe (spell?) is now starving the entire nation...?

18. Posted by Chucky (Budding Member 5 posts) 10y

hahahhahah
when I did read this message, I felt like eating pizza with a good chille and garleg on. lad os hope for peace guys.tx

19. Posted by applegirl (Full Member 144 posts) 10y

what's 'garleg'? :(
hopefully this thread hasn't inspired you to eat mutilated body parts...!

20. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 10y

Quoting applegirl

If they do I have to wonder about why haven't they intervened in Zimbabwe where president Mugabe (spell?) is now starving the entire nation...?

I wish I could find the text of the speech made by Canadian General Lewis Mackenzie (Ret.) at the international conference for the Use of Force between Nations. It's a very interesting speech. BTW, he was the guy that found a way around the UN beaucracy in Sarajevo, smuggled in anti-tank missiles, and fired back when civilians were getting killed. He puts it very well:

"The reason we don't get involved in these types of conflicts is a Lack of Inherent Self Interest"

Let's not kid ourselves.

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