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141. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Quoting beerman

OK, I give. What's a dhimmi?

No, no, no - the question is: "Who gives a dhimmi?"

142. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 10y

Ah, OK, nothing like Wikipedia....

A dhimmi (also zimmi, Arabic ذمي, usually translated as "protected", plural: ahl al-dhimma) is a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia — Islamic law. The word dhimmi is an adjective derived from the noun "dhimma", which means "tutelage" and denotes the legal relationship between a dhimmi and the Islamic state. It applied mostly to non-polytheists who were conquered by a Muslim state and allowed to retain their religion.

Something tells me that won't happen in America. We may be governed by a fundamentalist chimp, but his power is, so far, limited. And we gots nukular weapons....

143. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting beerman

OK, I give. What's a dhimmi?

A dhimmi (also zimmi, Arabic, usually translated as "protected", plural: ahl al-dhimma) is a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia — Islamic law. The word dhimmi is an adjective derived from the noun "dhimma", which means "tutelage" and denotes the legal relationship between a dhimmi and the Islamic state. It applied mostly to non-polytheists who were conquered by a Muslim state and allowed to retain their religion.
Dhimmis were guaranteed their personal safety and security of property, in return for paying a special capitation tax known as the jizya and accepting various restrictions and legal disabilities. These provisions of sharia limited the ability of dhimmis to visibly practice their rituals, expand and repair places of worship. Dhimmis were not allowed to testify in cases involving a Muslim; dhimmi men were prohibited from marrying Muslim women. Some restrictions imposed on dhimmis from time to time were largely symbolic in nature and were designed to highlight the inferiority of dhimmis compared to Muslims. These regulations included, among others, requirements to wear distinctive clothing and prohibitions on riding horses and camels.
The conditions of dhimma resulted in a gradual acceptance of Islam by most Middle Eastern Christians and Zoroastrians living under the Muslim rule.

Source: Dhimmi

I know there is more to this...but the boss is on the intercom...

Tell him your busy.... (Oh forgot, we do need that next paycheck...)

144. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting beerman

Ah, OK, nothing like Wikipedia....

Is you highspeed faster than mine??? Or did you just get a head start???

Aplogies for the double-posting of the same definition...

145. Posted by Belize Me (Full Member 137 posts) 10y

Quoting Isadora

Quoting beerman

Ah, OK, nothing like Wikipedia....

Is you highspeed faster than mine??? Or did you just get a head start???

Sigh...you folks are so lucky. Bell Canada doesn't do hi-speed out here in the country. I called them yesterday...they nodded sympathetically and told me it would probably be 20 years before they wired us up. :( Sometimes I think carrier pigeon would be faster.

146. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting Belize Me

Sigh...you folks are so lucky. Bell Canada doesn't do hi-speed out here in the country. I called them yesterday...they nodded sympathetically and told me it would probably be 20 years before they wired us up. :( Sometimes I think carrier pigeon would be faster.

I feel your pain!!! Beerman has DSL at work - but we have had dial-up here at home forever (a whopping 28.8 connection speed). After 2 failed attempts to get wireless internet (including cutting down a tree for direct line of sight and still being a hair-width too far away), they put up another new tower. We finally got wireless 2 weeks ago. (We also live rurally.) Have faith, someone will finally find you... Maybe... With any luck, it won't be too late... (PS: Don't forget to feed the pigeon!)

Isa now returns this thread to it's regularly scheduled topic.

147. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 10y

Thw word 'dhimmi' has been given a 21st century context, and refers to a kafir who gives undue deference to Islam, primarily because of threats of violence.
The Danish cartoons would be a perfect example where threats of violence and murder by moslem mobs stopped most newspapers and media outlets from publishing the said cartoons.
Like I said, this little duckie ain't gonna be a dhimmi to any brutal medieval religion/culture.
Tway says 'Who gives a dhimmi?'.
I believe you are a Canuck (snap-frozen Yank), so a least have the decency to stand by your fellow citizen Irshad Manji who had been death fatwaed by a number of warm, cozy and loving moslem clerics.
Have you checked out her website yet?

The anti-dhimmi

148. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 10y

Quoting cobbana

Tway says 'Who gives a dhimmi?'.
I believe you are a Canuck (snap-frozen Yank)

Now Cobbana, is there really a need to resort to that sort of accusation? I know this particular member personally, and the reference to "snap-frozen yank" is uncalled for. She was making a joke about dhimmi.......nothing more. Just because someone may not seem to be "taking up the cause", it's still no reason to snipe. Disagree, but be nice about it. Canadians are people of the world as well, so please do not resort to name calling. That sort of behavior is no different than saying that all muslims desire the downfall of the west.

Please, your posts have been lucid and well thought. Don't resort to that which you despise.

My apologies to you if you misunderstood what I was trying to say earlier. I truly meant to say "speak your mind because you should be able to without retribution". Take the higher intellectual ground by arguing logically, not emotionally. Those factions in the world that desire to censor everything said by everyone who does not agree with them become the true evil.

I tried to explain earlier that I believe religion is the problem in the world. Not faith. I believe faith is a good thing, but religion has distorted faith to its own ends. For example, The DaVinci Code is about to be released to theaters. Should Christians issue a "fatwa" on Dan Brown because he postulated that Jesus and Mary Magdalene married, moved to France, and bore children? There are Christians in the world that believe him to be a heretic. Should he be killed? No, because discussion should always be open and free from personal attacks. It's okay to disagree.

I agree with many of the concepts you have broached. Even though some may issue a fatwa for our deaths, I believe it is our right to speak our minds without reprisals, just as it is their right to speak their minds. Perhaps if we tone it down a little, they will too. If they don't, tough titties. If some religious extremist wants to "get me" for it, then by all means try. My comment to the extremist would be, "Be sure to bring gold jewelry so it's worth my time when I bury you".

149. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 10y

Beerman,
The expression 'snap-frozen Yank' is a very old and tired joke, and I didn't have time to create some new tongue-in-cheek remark.
I was drunk in a bar in Abilene back in 1982 when I told the joke that "An American is a Mexican who never quite reached the Canadian border".
You could have heard a pin drop.
Touchy varmints, those Texans!!!!
Just like us Australians are all convicts hand-picked by the finest judges in England.
I'm sure Tway is quite capable of giving me a good schlapping if she is offended, and I would apologise.
Did you defend my honour when Applegirl accused me of being a bigot, or when Cikusang mentioned 'WORDS KILL' and 'arouse the dissatisfactory among some of the Islamic believers', slang for religiously inspired violence?

150. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Quoting cobbana

Tway says 'Who gives a dhimmi?'.
I believe you are a Canuck (snap-frozen Yank), so a least have the decency to stand by your fellow citizen Irshad Manji who had been death fatwaed by a number of warm, cozy and loving moslem clerics.
Have you checked out her website yet?

My apologies if it went over your head that I was in fact talking to Beerman. I'm actually rather surprised that you've taken this so out of context, given your very lucid responses in this thread. I'll try to make any future humourous remarks more obvious - perhaps using legal type or a smily face.

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