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51. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Let's try and keep it non personal good people. This is a great discussion and the bottom line is that we all need to keep an open mind about what the others are saying, even if we disagree. Preconceived ideas that can't be changed are a fundamental part of this problem in my opinion and no matter what your ideas are, if you don't let others argue against them or are not open to others ideas, you're really no better because who's to say you're right and not the other person???

52. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

Quoting Sam I Am

You can't honestly be serious can you Brendan?

Yes I do. When one is a part of a society they are responsible for it. Every action you take effects and plays a role in that society. Likewise every action you do not take (ex. not voting) effects and plays a role in that society.

Let's talk specifics. What are you going to do about it?

I put the question to everyone on this thread. I've read a lot of interesting discussion on what should be or should not be moral, human and good, etc. Well what are you or we specifically going to do about it?

53. Posted by danalasta (Respected Member 519 posts) 11y

Exactly who is a terrorist, and who is not?

When the CIA was busy doling out an estimated $2 billion to support the Afghan mujahadeen in the 1980s, Osama bin Laden and his colleagues were hailed as anti-communist freedom fighters. During the cold war, U.S. national security strategists, many of whom are riding top saddle once again in Bush's administration, didn't view bin Laden's fanatical religious beliefs as diametrically opposed to western civilization. But now bin Laden and his ilk are unabashed terrorists.

Definitions of what constitutes terror and terrorism seem to change with the times. Before he became vice president, Dick Cheney and the U.S. State Department denounced Nelson Mandela, leader of the African National Congress, as a terrorist. Today Mandela is considered a great and dignified statesman. And what about Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, who bears significant responsibility for the 1982 massacre of 1,800 innocents at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon? What role is th Knesset playing in Bush's crusade against international terrorism?

The Chinese have a saying...the fish starts to rot in the first first...

dana

;)

54. Posted by igetlost (Full Member 89 posts) 11y

sorry SAM it has to get personal other wise its simple random thoughts and therefore not a discourse.
and APPLEGIRL if you dont get what i'm saying learn to read!!!!
if you randomly post your thoughts surely you should like to back them up otherwise
you might as well say things like
"they have WMD!!!" and then blow somebody up!!

my point,in small non ambiguous words, is
ANYBODY CAN SAY ANYTHING.BUT IF YOU BLOODY WELL CONTRADICT YOUR FIRST SENTENCE WITH YOUR SECOND ,NOBODY SOULD LISTEN TO YOU!!

also can everyone just think for a minute.
war on global terror? terror is an abstract concept.
and global terror could only occur in situations where the entire populus is in fear.
like waiting for a great big meteor..thats global terror.
any other usage is purely media wording

55. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting igetlost

sorry SAM it has to get personal

Sorry, but no it doesn't. You can voice that you disagree with someone's ideas but there's no need to personally 'attack' others based on what they think/write... I don't want to have to moderate this thread!!!

56. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting Q_Zhang

Quoting Brendan

Quoting Sam I Am

You can't honestly be serious can you Brendan?

Yes I do. When one is a part of a society they are responsible for it. Every action you take effects and plays a role in that society. Likewise every action you do not take (ex. not voting) effects and plays a role in that society.

Let's talk specifics. What are you going to do about it?

I put the question to everyone on this thread. I've read a lot of interesting discussion on what should be or should not be moral, human and good, etc. Well what are you or we specifically going to do about it?

Good point; I for one don't know. I know democracy isn't perfect, but it sure beats any other theories out there that I've seen and that are actually feasible. I'll just start with myself and take it from there I guess

57. Posted by igetlost (Full Member 89 posts) 11y

ok.
sorry.

58. Posted by danalasta (Respected Member 519 posts) 11y

Quoting igetlost

also can everyone just think for a minute.
war on global terror? terror is an abstract concept.
and global terror could only occur in situations where the entire populus is in fear.
like waiting for a great big meteor..thats global terror.
any other usage is purely media wording

You may be right here, pal....media is a powerful tool...it has ways of moulding public opinion, and to get messages across, it tends to infuse a lot of words that border sensationalism...I know what I am talking because I devoted 3 decades of my life in journalism...

Mainstream journalists often function more like a fourth branch of government than a feisty fourth estate. If anything, the patterns of media bias that characterize sycophantic reporting in "peacetime" are amplified during a war or a national security crisis....

My view is that since the tragic events of September 11, the separation between press and government has dwindled nearly to the vanishing point. If you had an aggressive, independent press corps, your national conversation about the terrorist attacks (and terrorism in general) that demolished the World Trade Center towers in New York and damaged the Pentagon would be far more probing and informative..

May be,we should shift a bit and look at terrorism from another perspective...understand the psyche of those suicide bombers (well, aren't all bombings the work of these human beings?)...we are led to belief that these suicide bombers are religious fanatics with a mission...is it so?...What drives them to this ? How do they differ in the psyche of the kamakazi bombers who steered their bomb-laden planes to death ?

Adept at manipulating real grievances, terrorist networks breed on poverty, despair, and social injustice. Do you think you can wipe out or even reduce this scourge without seriously and systematically addressing the root causes of terrorism? (sorry, Igetlost, i have to use this abstract word cos i do not wish to coin another journalistic jargon to confuse everyone!!)

Maybe you should see the movie Paradise Now -- a film by Palestinian director Hany Abu-Assad, and shot on location in the West Bank and Israel -- which aims to do what many viewers will certainly see as unimaginable: delve into the motivations and psyches of suicide bombers, attempting to humanize these young men and women who make the decision to kill and be killed.

Dana

59. Posted by applegirl (Full Member 144 posts) 11y

Let's talk specifics. What are you going to do about it?

I put the question to everyone on this thread. I've read a lot of interesting discussion on what should be or should not be moral, human and good, etc. Well what are you or we specifically going to do about it?

Good point; I for one don't know. I know democracy isn't perfect, but it sure beats any other theories out there that I've seen and that are actually feasible. I'll just start with myself and take it from there I guess

I agree completely.
It always seems like such a small thing just being able to start with oneself doesn't it? But perhaps it's not.
The days after 7/7 in London were days when strangers smiled at each other on the street, as if to exchange a feeling of 'wow, we're still here, better make the most of it!' There was and is, here in London at least, a growing solidarity between different religious and ethnic groups, particularly between christians and muslims in relation to what happened.

Media often focus on the negative stuff happening, not giving much space for all the positive that are as important. I think that on a grassroot level many things are moving in a very positive direction.

And that's were we all 'the small' people come in and can make a difference.

60. Posted by cikusang (Respected Member 1361 posts) 11y

Maybe you should see the movie Paradise Now -- a film by Palestinian director Hany Abu-Assad, and shot on location in the West Bank and Israel -- which aims to do what many viewers will certainly see as unimaginable: delve into the motivations and psyches of suicide bombers, attempting to humanize these young men and women who make the decision to kill and be killed.

Dana, is the film mentioned above appeared to be one of the showings during the Singapore Films Festival 2005? A friend who returned after the occasion admitted there's a wide range of films (some are documentaries without any scenes censoured)from Middle-East to choose from. Some of the films proved to being quite 'psychotic' to some of the audiences that they addressed their 'uneasiness' after the showings.

Besides, to answer the question raised by John about any terrorism acts of Buddhism...so far, nope. Conflict? Yes! That's why dalai Lama moved to such a long journey from his motherland. And another interesting fact is: many countries based on the tenor of Buddhism seem to be the nations in a state of great penury and hunger but their lands are rather arable and fertilised.(Still in the midst of my self-research...)

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