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71. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 11y

Quoting applegirl

To add to Brendan + danalastas list of ideas.... :)

Good posts guys !

- Do not invest in the stock market.
As this is ALWAYS unethical, because it means that you are sitting on your arse when someone else is doing all the hard work (the worker/s can't access the amount of money the shareholders can) this is not fair at all, is it?) It adds and encourage the gap between poor and rich.

I agree, this is a contraversial point. You can always look at investing in the stock market as lending your money to someone else to have a job, feed their kids, etc.

72. Posted by igetlost (Full Member 89 posts) 11y

i believe it should be turn your back on Jingoism(different to patriotism.
and also to Brendan...renewable energy is able to keep up with the world population.
also without the stock market on which the entire world structure is dependent, the world would decend into global recession,war and famine.following which pandemic disease would by unleased.

but hey just my two cents!!

73. Posted by danalasta (Respected Member 519 posts) 11y

Hi Guys,

Did you notice that this thread seems to be have evolved (metamorphosised?)from the heated debate on "terrorism" into a more palatable "eco-tourism", responsible tourism & experiential tourism ?

We are now talking about charity, care & concern !Hmmmm.....
:)

dana

74. Posted by danalasta (Respected Member 519 posts) 11y

Quoting igetlost

and also to Brendan...renewable energy is able to keep up with the world population.but hey just my two cents!!

Do we, or rather the future generations, have a choice...renewable energy is the only way...fossil fuel has had its day! Biofuel (palm oil, sunflower seed, flaxseed) is set to take over...

dana

75. Posted by igetlost (Full Member 89 posts) 11y

yes it is dana,
but its main problem now is the taxs been levied upon it.
its pushing up the price of something anybody caN MANUFACTURE in their home.

76. Posted by danalasta (Respected Member 519 posts) 11y

Hi igetlost,

u have a point there...but renewable energy is a reality...i think nations that consume a lot of fossil fuel will have to work out a formula...in malaysia for instance, the govt has dramatically reduced the subsidy on diesel...to encourage vehicle owners to use palm biofuel as a blend with diesel...just the beginning...it think it is all about political will...i am sure petronas, the national oil company may not be too happy...but then the national biofuel policy, passed by the parliament, has set a direction which even petronas has to go along...

as far as the economy is concerned, the future seems bright for the oil palm industry...but that's another story!

dana

77. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

I agree, renewable energy sources are the future and a good thing. But right now it wouldn't work. Wind generation for example is at best 40% efficient. The ammount of wind generation array's could not sustain our rate of power consumption.

Quoting Michael Kane

Wind farms operate at around 40% efficiency. So the actual energy would be approximately 6% of global capacity and 3% of America’s by 2020. This number may be slightly higher when we consider that offshore wind farms have a higher efficiency rating than those onshore. While the financial institutions are ready to put up the needed capital for offshore projects, there are mostly cold feet throughout the industry as everyone wonders whether these projects will ultimately be profitable.

There was a conferance in New York that this article was written from. Have a read. > http://gnn.tv/articles/1778/Renewable_Energy_Too_Little_Too_Late

78. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

On top of that, the idea about biofuel and ethonal blended gasoline is insane. So with a global population of over six billion, the majority of which are in abject poverty, let us use up perfectly good land, to grow crops which instead of being eaten will be processed into fuel for our cars.

Perhaps I don't have the full concept of the process, but from what I gather it seems bonkers.. totally nuts!

79. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

Another quote from the article:

Quoting Michael Kane

Even less known is a study conducted by Scientist David Keith, using computer generated simulations, where it was concluded if the world is eventually over saturated with wind turbines they could change wind patterns contributing to climate change. While this thesis has not been fully explored, it clearly indicates that unless mankind actively seeks to minimize our footprints upon the earth, we are doomed to repeat the same failures of our current energy paradigm: the failure of over-consumption through the exploitation of nature.

80. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Quoting danalasta

Hi Guys,

Did you notice that this thread seems to be have evolved (metamorphosised?)from the heated debate on "terrorism" into a more palatable "eco-tourism", responsible tourism & experiential tourism ?

We are now talking about charity, care & concern !Hmmmm.....
:)

dana

Dana - morphing happens a lot! The nice thing about this thread - it hasn't gone in the "downward" direction that others seem to take at times. I am really enjoying this one!!!

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