Whoa John - way to go!!!!! I really do love Carlin's rants!!
I was just going to comment to Kris and Travis, but I think I'll change horses somewhat in mid-stream and... well... just comment...
As for the alcohol and tobacco companies - our livelihood comes from the alcohol industry - I will not be biting the hand that feeds me at the moment. Ain't gonna happen! And, the tobacco industry is alive and well with or without my contribution. (Yes John - I realize you were not attacking the A&T industries!)
I can't help but agree with both Travis and George... First, the planet has survived much greater threats than what we humans can dish out - including nuclear devastation. The earth has a way of healing itself. We, no more or less like the dinosaurs, are just mere inhabitants who are dispensible. We consider ourselves the caretakers, but in reality, we are not. We just happen to be a the top of the food chain - nothing else. Saying that, it does not give us the right to continue "raping and pillaging" every square inch just because we can. As inhabitants, we do have a certain obligation to do right by the world, and mostly because we have the intelligence to do so.
Because I do not follow in Christianity's footsteps - that is, one who feels there was some great design for us beginning with Adam and Eve - I have nothing but evolution and natural selection to base my opinions upon. As Kris stated "...are we supposed to strive for the betterment of all around us?" Yes, we are. But, not because "Nature" has made it so, because we as humans have made it so. The giraffe may eat from the closest tree. The giraffe also does not (theoretically) wantonly destroy it's own habitat. We can not say the same...
Well, I've just been easily distracted by Beerman's return from the beer mine and the glass of alcohol sitting on the table. So...
...and here in the rural jungle, we seek the escape found in a sip of rum and whatever other vices we choose to imbibe in at this time - mainly those that support that damn tobacco industry... and David Attenborough walks slowly away from the cameras...
Huh? The hide of you! I'm off for a Coke!
Whoa! Alert! We have activity on the closed ciruit Mr. Prime Minister.
Well well thanks for all of the contributions! And yes they are all welcome! I'll try and work down the list of replies, if I missed your's it is because I am only looking out of one eye.
- *In the following you will find I use "you".. by "you" I mean "one".
igetlost, that was funny stuff, please continue.
John7, I use Coca-Cola as an example because it along with McDonalds are probably the most well known words in the english language. You ask any five year old in western society who Ronald McDonald is and they can give you a better description than if you asked them to describe their grandma (assuming they know their grandma).
Coke has become the symbol of the time, and yes taking out coke alone isn't going to change anything but changing the way we think and act will. Instead of apathy towards anything that doesn't involve where to get drunk on the weekend. I really get's my goat (not my blow up one) when people just accept the status quo. "Ah well no point in doing anything so I will just go to Starbucks and grab a BigMac."
And the idea to attack big tobacco and alchohol over Coke because they are intentionally trying to decieve people doesn't make much sense. To me they are both trying to do the same thing. Tobacco says "Have a smoke and you will be happy and cool" , Coke says "Have a coke and you will be happy and cool". Same message - both effect the health of the community.
I am not against people having a smoke, or people having a drink. I am against people not giving a shit.
TKol, great points and an interesting idea. Though I must say, to me this sounds like an escape from any responsibility from our actions as a member of this planets ecology. You are saying that everything is natural. Every aspect of the world today is a part of the world and a result of the world. Also you say that we are but small role in the history of time, that the planet will repair all of our damage. This a true but does that end justify the means by which we live?
What kind of man is a man who doesn't try to make the world better.
There is an idea I have heard, it goes something like this: That resources are there to be consumed. If we do not consume them our children will. If they do not, their children will, and so on.
What a great way to think, let's not think of the future what so ever. But this in itself seems to contradict the very idea of your natural order. You say nature by design programs every living thing to survive. Survival is all that it knows.
Take from that the future. A human concept (as far as we know). We as humans have the ability to see, judge, and hypothosize about our actions and the results they will have. This gives us the advantage to predict and shape our survivability. So why is it when we can see our destruction and have the ability to effect our course that we sit back and let "nature" as you put it, take it's course.
John7, thanks for that quote that was good. I disagree, but it was good none the less. Like I said above, we have the abilty and forsight to change our actions today to make a better world for tomorrow.
I guess the argument is we are all going to be dead in 100 million years so who gives a shit. Valid point, so does that mean we should make the children of today and tomorrow suffer through our lack of action. Instead of looking ahead five billion years how about we look ahead at the next ten. What will the world be like - will we be locked in endless wars over resources such as oil and water. Will we put power in the hands of people that wantonly lower the survivability of our species. Will be pump out plastic wrap with a half-life of 10,000 years so that in 100 years our grandchildren will not be able to grow food, or find water that is not contaminated from leached toxins.
Or will we stop. Can we do that? Just stop for a second and think? Think about the lives of the people to follow and make our choices based on that.
Isadora thanks for the post. And I agree - and will add that let's say that there is some grand design. That we have purpose and meaning. Can it honestly be said that purpose is for the destruction of our surroundings? I think regardless if you look at it from evolution or design I don't think either lead toward the end to existance.
...and here in the urban jungle, we seek the sloth, the hanger-on in this society, the, shall we say...turd in hiding.....Ooohhh, look, there...in the bar, drinking Bud Light....."
That had me laughing..
John...love the Carlin rant!! It has always been one of my favorites!
but I digress....Brendan....I agree 100%....
I am against people not giving a shit.
That pretty much sums it up for me!!
Thank you for the comment BRENDAN i aim to please!!!!
Huh? The hide of you! I'm off for a Coke!
Beerman here (yes, using Isa's machine again)...
Don't forget to smile with that Coke...