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101. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

Quoting Q_Zhang

To me, all you can do is make somebody think very very very very hard before taking a life. Whether it is by the death penalty or long term incarceration, these laws "work" by making the consequences of murder something so horrible that it's just not worth taking another person's life over.

I disagree - these laws do not "work", if they did why are we still having people killed? Clearly there is something wrong with the system.

Quoting James

An eye for an eye = justice

No, that equals revenge. Revenge does not equal justice. "Justice allows for mercy and clemency and compassion. These virtues are not weaknesses."

Read this speech of Gov. George Ryan from Illinois.(jan 14 2003)

102. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

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103. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

Crap - go back to page [9] to see my last post.

104. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

Quoting James

An eye for an eye = justice

No, that equals revenge. Revenge does not equal justice. "Justice allows for mercy and clemency and compassion. These virtues are not weaknesses."

Revenge equals justice to me.

105. Posted by Peter (Admin 5813 posts) 11y

Quoting james

Quoting Brendan

Depends on how you define "justice". Maybe in simply having justice you don't actually try to fix the problem.

An eye for an eye = justice

That may make some sense in a perverted way if someone poked your eye out. But in the case of of drug smuggling, you still have to define the equivalent. If it was as simple as 'an eye for an eye', they should just pass some drugs through the transit lounge in Sydney. :)

And I don't agree that that is justice either. Say, your child is driving along and loses control of his/her car, consequently killing someone. An eye for an eye would dictate that some other person should be allowed to kill your child. Mitigating circumstances should always be taken into account.

106. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

I repeat my earlier post that I don't believe that Van Nghuyen should have been hanged (hung?)

By an "eye for an eye", I mean that the punishment must fit the crime. If it does, then justice has been served. Justice and revenge are very closely linked, if not the same; people seek revenge because they want justice.

In this case the punishment went way beyond the crime.

107. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

Quoting james

Revenge equals justice to me.

So if by some chance you hit my in the eye, causing me to lose said eye, I would be well within the realm of "justice" to take one of your eyes?

Did you read the speech of the gov. of Illinois?

108. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

Quoting james

..the punishment must fit the crime. If it does, then justice has been served. Justice and revenge are very closely linked, if not the same; people seek revenge because they want justice.

In this case the punishment went way beyond the crime.

To the people of Singapore, "justice" has been served.

109. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

Quoting james

Revenge equals justice to me.

So if by some chance you hit my in the eye, causing me to lose said eye, I would be well within the realm of "justice" to take one of your eyes?

Did you read the speech of the gov. of Illinois?

If I committed a crime against you and/or your family, I would expect my punishment to fit my crime.

No, I did not read the article.

110. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

Quoting james

I repeat my earlier post that I don't believe that Van Nghuyen should have been hanged (hung?)

By an "eye for an eye", I mean that the punishment must fit the crime. If it does, then justice has been served. Justice and revenge are very closely linked, if not the same; people seek revenge because they want justice.

In this case the punishment went way beyond the crime.

Thank you James! (Sometimes I just can't find the words) but you said it perfectly. :)
Although I damn near piddled when I read Peter's post ( the "pass some drugs through the transit lounge in Sydney") :)

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