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121. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

vegasmike, I have been reading about that case in California. I believe his death is to be in December? People are asking for at least to postpone because in January California Gov' will be reviewing the laws.

122. Posted by SeeTheSky (Respected Member 558 posts) 10y

STS (Evan) - you can always say exactly what I mean. We should just share an account.

yea i think were the same person. like fight club or something. i bet the first time we meet we'll totally like blow up a building or something.

i said what i wanted to say, and thats about that. thanks for listenin everybody.

evan

123. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

You don't happen to sell soap do you..

124. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 10y

Quoting Brendan

vegasmike, I have been reading about that case in California. I believe his death is to be in December? People are asking for at least to postpone because in January California Gov' will be reviewing the laws.

'Tookie' Williams is to be executed Dec. 13th. Gov. Schwarznegger can commute his sentence to life w/o parole or let the DP proceed. A difficult decision for any Governor. He is going to get negative reactions regardless of what position he takes. I think 'Tookie' Williams serves the public better by continuing to help youngsters stay out of gangs and turning away from crime than he does by being executed. We will know in a few days what the Governor decides to do.

125. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 10y

Quoting Brendan

Q, really to me your posts make no sense. You are clearly saying that to prevent death we must detach ourselves and kill. It takes it beyond the killing of one wo/man to save others; this is the mentality that dropped two nuclear weapons on Japan. The same mentality that started concentration camps around the world. It drives the war machine.

I agree that the intent of bombing Japan was to prevent further death. I don't think we should ever start a war. But if you're in one, you do whatever it takes to end it as quickly as possible. The "war machine" is an instrument of politics, and it goes well beyond preventing death. It is the politics and politicians, both internal and external, that start wars and is what we should concentrate on. To blame war on the "machine" does not agree with history, and won't help the world go towards peace.

You still have not answered my question. How do you "fix" mankinds willingness to kill?

You're going to have to prove to me that concentration camps prevent killing.

Quoting Brendan

I do not think that "justice" should be blind & emotionless. Like you have sayed, we live in a world of greys and vibrant colours. There is emotion in every action we take and every decision we make. Emotions are what tells us we are alive.

What does "tells use we are alive" have to do with "justice". Are you saying "justice" should be based on emotion ? Are you saying we don't need "justice" ?

126. Posted by SeeTheSky (Respected Member 558 posts) 10y

Are you saying we don't need "justice" ?

and theres the problem. some say yes, some say no.

127. Posted by TKolb325 (Full Member 197 posts) 10y

Some people say we don't need justice? Hmm.

128. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 10y

If you swim in shark-infested waters during a feeding frenzy,you are going to get chomped.
If you jump out of a plane from 2,000 feet without a parachute you are jam.
If you smuggle heroin through Singapore (or Malaysia or Vietnam or Indonesia) you could get caught and hung or shot.
You know the laws and know the mandatory punishment.
Bad choice, and people do it all the time.
What about the peace activists kidnapped in Baghdad a week or so ago?
Sheer stupidity can get you killed so easily.

Anthony

129. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Quoting Brendan

I do not think that "justice" should be blind & emotionless. Like you have sayed, we live in a world of greys and vibrant colours. There is emotion in every action we take and every decision we make. Emotions are what tells us we are alive.

While I agree that emotions are what make us human, I must respectfully disagree that justice should be based on emotion. I work in an office run by emotions: everyone's crisis, moodiness, grumpiness, dis-satisfaction, and gripe are taken into consideration. The result? A whole bunch of frustrated employees. Why? Because everyone has different reactions to different situations, and some people are more 'in touch' with their emotions than others.

For example, one of my co-workers is not very detail-oriented and prone to walking out of meetings and crying and telling everyone that no one listens to her. I've been told that she is 'artistic' and that they can't talk to her because 'it would hurt her too much'. So guess what? The rest of us get to make up for her extreme lack of ability to do her job.

So what does this have to do with justice and emotion? Well, mostly I just wanted to get that off my chest. But - emotions are unstable, wild, fickle, prone to change, and very, very different from one person to the next. Laws are designed to be fair and unchanging - so that everyone is subject to the same treatment. I wish my office was run that way! As part of a Creative Department, we need to use our emotions to create great work - to inspire passion and action. Instead, the only people who get what they want are the whiny, lazy gits who use their emotions to manipulate things to their advantage.

130. Posted by summer910 (Respected Member 1342 posts) 10y

Quoting tway

As part of a Creative Department, we need to use our emotions to create great work - to inspire passion and action. Instead, the only people who get what they want are the whiny, lazy gits who use their emotions to manipulate things to their advantage.

I totally agree. The Art department in my office gets that way too, especially one anal-retentive guy. He gives you that duh look when you ask him to do a piece of work, and the end result is in no way spectacular. Then he has the nerve to tell my colleague that he's going for dinner when my colleague wants a piece of artwork done urgently. Yep, that's working on emotions for you.

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