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141. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

That always get's me thinking though, we talk about the advancement of the human-race, but to what end? What are we advancing towards. We are creating a more "just" system in which to live, we are living longer (in general), we have more knowledge (in general), we have space ships, and antibiotics... but to what end? What are we working towards? It keeps me up at night.

I dunno, B. I think we're just living to live. We're all but a teeny little blip in the earth's long, long history. And when man's turn is up, the earth will renew itself again and some other species will come along and take a turn. Making yourself crazy over it is just wasting a lot of time - time that is a gift for you to enjoy.

Mind, some nights I keep myself up worrying about whether I'll finish a project in time, so what do I know.

142. Posted by TKolb325 (Full Member 197 posts) 11y

As for your question Brendan(what are we working towards?), I would like to take a crack at it.

I have often wondered, as we all have, what is the point of life?

Well, why do we ask that question? Because as humans, we always give a meaning to things, or a reason for things, since most things in our life have meaning, or a reason. (Why does it rain? Condensation of water vapor..etc.) Well, I believe there is no point to life. I think we just exist, and that is the end of the questions.

But back to Brendan's question. Where are we heading, what purpose do we have for "progressing" as a species(TV, antibiotics, spaceships)?

The one characteristic about life that we do know, is that our main concern is continuing to live. Therefore we do whatever necessary to gaurantee that life continues. So this applies to that question, what are we working towards? The gaurantee of life for everyone. It is not as clear right now, since we are still killing eachother, but every action in life that we take, is eventually related back to gauranteeing our(personal or societal) survival.

I believe that eventually(potentially), all life will be gauranteed, and we will reach a new level of society that concentrates on refining oneself, instead of self preservation. How will we get there? How will we attain this Utopian-like society? Technology!! Yes, antibiotics, and spaceships, will gaurantee survival, so we can worry about other things such as refinement. The question is, will we survive our species' infancy without destroying ourselves? I am optimistic and say yes. But I think it is still a cointoss. All we can do, is try to bring technology to all corners of the world(carefully, as globalization is very delicate), and gaurantee that everyone has the same chance at survival, and go from there.

I know that such a task is extremely difficult, and probably out of our grasp as of now. But who knows what the future will hold.

143. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

Right now the system looks at the "how". Person A killed Person B, therefore Person A must die. What we need is a system that not only looks at the "how" but also the "why". Why did Person A kill Person B, what lead them to do this and will they do it again?

But that's exactly the way it happens - hence self defence vs manslaughter (1 or 2 or however may there are) vs murder in the 1st or second degree, and so on. I'm not following exactly what you mean here. I think all those things you just mentioned are always taken into consideration, so far as I know.

Quoting Brendan

I am not talking about raging emotions that take people over the edge, I am talking about the general emotions that run through everyone all of the time. You can't have a justice system void of emotion when that system is run by humans.

But where do you draw the line between 'raging emotions' and 'general emotions'? As an example, I present you with the guy I dated when I was 16. He was nice, quite handsome, and polite. He was also posessive and jealous - not ragingly so, but constantly so. So he pouted a lot and complained a lot and we fought a lot. When we broke up, he punched some poor guy I was talking to in a fit of anger. He felt his actions were justified because his emotions dictated as much. But what if he had, say, punched the guy to death, would it be 'acceptible' because he was emotionally drawn to do so? Would he courts have to be lenient with him due to his emotional state?

144. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

That always get's me thinking though, we talk about the advancement of the human-race, but to what end? What are we advancing towards. We are creating a more "just" system in which to live, we are living longer (in general), we have more knowledge (in general), we have space ships, and antibiotics... but to what end? What are we working towards? It keeps me up at night.

Sounds religious.

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147. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Isa grabs the soapbox so her sign can be seen over the crowds...

Isa's sign reads:

1) No pushing or shoving.
2) No yelling or screaming.
3) No personal attacks.
4) No running with sharp objects.

Thus far, everyone has been able to keep this a civil discussion - not jointly agreed upon - but civil all the same. Before someone says something they will regret, or I have to edit/delete... Well, you see where I'm going with this. Thank you all for your cooperation!!!!

Isa steps down from the soapbox and sets it aside for the next user.

148. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Tway picks up soapbox cause she can't reach the glasses on the top shelf.

149. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 11y

*Brendan waits for Tway to get the glasses, then gets onto the box of soap.

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Summer910,

Perhaps I havn't been finding the right wording, and I guess I havn't really made my position clear. I try to look at things from many angles, many of the questions and statements I make are not in direct relation to my beliefs. I ask questions of everything and everyone, not because I live in a self manifested utopia, but because I would like to know and because I want people to also question. If that offends you there is nothing I can do about that.

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Tway,

I see what you are saying, that we are just here for a time and that is all. I like that and generally live by that - I just like to hear what people are thinking of when they say "human progression".

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TKolb325,

That was great, I see what you are saying about our innate sense of survival and self-preservation leading us down a more and more technilogical road. Do you worry at all that we may at some point lose our "humanity" to technology?

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Tway (part II),

I guess I didn't think about the degree's we have in place, and that they do take into consideration motive.. hmm I will have to think about it more.

As far as emotions, I guess it isn't the right word. As it's been said, there are no synonyms in the english language. I am not sure what the true word would be.

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Q-Man,

I'm not sure I know what you mean by - "Sounds religious". I guess I didn't include any religions in my description, I should have. We - as humans - keep saying we are progressing, technologically and spiritually but don't really know towards what (unless it is all in the name of survival).

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STS,

Thanks and yes that is really just that - my opinion, your opinion, summer's opinion. In the end we end up as infinite spectrals of energy spirialing down towards Vin Diesels naval.

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Summer (part II),

I wouldn't like to meet you in a dark alley...

150. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Quoting Brendan

As far as emotions, I guess it isn't the right word. As it's been said, there are no synonyms in the english language. I am not sure what the true word would be.

I'd venture a guess and say the word is probably 'humanity' (and my apologies if someone's already said this).

Laws, written by humans, inevitably involve humanity. I think it's the difference between what man writes and what a machine would output. Although I think I may see what you're saying - that we may be in danger of re-writing and re-writing laws until they sound like the Terminator (if he was neutral, of course) spewed them out. And in the process we would disconnect from what makes us human - such as compassion and understanding.

Tough stuff, this law-making business.

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