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81. Posted by Scrotum (Budding Member 23 posts) 10y

young Australia for drugs trafficking

I think this quote says it all. The guy was a criminal, he got what he deserved. He was aware of the laws in Singapore.

Well gosh, perhaps I should go to United States and execuse a couple of hundred people, and then COMPLAIN (and i expect your support guys) that i get a death penalty, lets not allow does americans from getting our tourism money because they have LAWS !!!

Stupid.

82. Posted by SeeTheSky (Respected Member 558 posts) 10y

Yup, it's one of those things you have to decide for yourself. Chasing ideals are good. I just spent 6 years of my life doing some of the best work I've ever done because this guy showed me how to ask a better question. But take it from me, you have to be absolutely passionate about it or you'll never make it. It's your life, don't settle for anything but the absolute best.

thanks. i understand where your coming from on this issue, like i said, everyone has to come to their own conclusion. so no hard feelings, to everyone i disagreed with, aite?

83. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting SeeTheSky

so no hard feelings, to everyone i disagreed with, aite?

Hey Evan - we've all posted in this thread knowing there would be differences of opinion and people on both sides of the issue. It's the stuff that makes a discussion of this calibre interesting. If we all agreed there wouldn't be a thread in which to post. Sure, some will be offended just by the topic alone, others will be angry over what they read, still others will read but not respond. A wise person will understand that only though discussion can you state your point of view, learn (and maybe understand) another's point of view, and possibly effect change - if not physically - at least psychologically. Discussion should open a window of opportunity and not close the door because of disagreement. What a weary world if we all used the same looking glass...

84. Posted by SeeTheSky (Respected Member 558 posts) 10y

Quoting Isadora

What a weary world if we all used the same looking glass...

truer words were never said, good madame. thanks for the post, i didnt figure there were any hard feelings, i just wanted people to know i wasnt trying to change them, just give them a different perspective.
but thanks, Isa. ;)

85. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

Yeah, this has been one of the better threads.

86. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 10y

I started out being an advocate for the death penalty. This was in HS and college. I thought killers forfeited their right to be on this planet. I then started to study the topic a bit more closely. Some posters have commented that they do not want their tax money to keep a prisoner incarcerated for life. Studies show that it is actually cheaper to sentenced a prisoner to life w/o parole than the death penalty. This is because there are mandatary appeals afforded to all death penalty cases. The taxpayer foots the bill for both the defense and prosecution over the life of the appeals process. This is usually over 10 years. Very expensive. Cheaper to keep them locked up for life. This is true in the US. Not true in countries like Iran, China or Singapore. They carry out the sentence in a timely manner. Very timely in China. A prisoner frequently is executed the same day as they are found guilty. But the cost of incarceration is not what ultimately turned me against the death penalty.

The real reason was that over 150 prisoners have been released because a judge was convinced that the defendant was wrongly convicted. This is usually because of DNA. This is just cases that have DNA available and the courts allow the results to be entered as evidence. There are certainly hundreds if not thousands of prisoners wrongly convicted still in prison. This is because juries just flat out get it wrong too often. As Isadora pointed out, Illinois has put a moratorium on executions because of wrongly convicted prisoners. Even death penalty advocates do not want the wrong person paying the ultimate price.

If any posters want to learn more about the US justice system and mistakes that have been made, the Innocence Project is a good place to start. Amnesty International is a good source of information for facts on the death penalty around the world. Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth of opinion.

87. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 10y

The cost of keeping a prisoner incarcerated for a year in a maximum security prison is 47,000 a year...to keep an inmate on Death Row for a year is 107,000....EITHER way...I am disgusted by the fact that my child's school lunch program is substandard to a prisoners meal plan...and that I can't afford medical insurance and had to claim bancruptsy because of it, and prisoners get FREE medical care, FREE dental care...FREE education up to and including a Phd., all this and more at MY expense is what nauseates me....

88. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Quoting CupCake

The cost of keeping a prisoner incarcerated for a year in a maximum security prison is 47,000 a year...to keep an inmate on Death Row for a year is 107,000....EITHER way...I am disgusted by the fact that my child's school lunch program is substandard to a prisoners meal plan...and that I can't afford medical insurance and had to claim bancruptsy because of it, and prisoners get FREE medical care, FREE dental care...FREE education up to and including a Phd., all this and more at MY expense is what nauseates me....

Good call there CupCake.

We complain about the healthcare system in this country, but when you hear about others you become thankful for what you've got (although no school lunch program).

I suppose that in gaol (jail for you!), the state has a duty of care towards the health of those that it has incarcerated (at least before killing them!)

89. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 10y

Quoting CupCake

The cost of keeping a prisoner incarcerated for a year in a maximum security prison is 47,000 a year...to keep an inmate on Death Row for a year is 107,000....EITHER way...I am disgusted by the fact that my child's school lunch program is substandard to a prisoners meal plan...and that I can't afford medical insurance and had to claim bancruptsy because of it, and prisoners get FREE medical care, FREE dental care...FREE education up to and including a Phd., all this and more at MY expense is what nauseates me....

All taxpayers have areas of the budget that go to programs that they do not agree with. Many countries do not feed their prisoners. The family outside must provide for the family member while they are incarcerated. The US courts have ruled on many prisoner issues; overcrowding, minimal food requirements, safety, health & dental care. If a state does not provide the minimum requirements, then the federal courts can issue an injunction and force compliance. What is the answer? Revert back to conditions in third world countries and the middle ages? The US holds itself to a higher standard in many areas and this is probably one more. If you have a practical solution, I would like to hear it.

90. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 10y

I like the " Revert back to conditions in third world countries and the middle ages? " that sounds perfect to me...because if you break the law...or infringe on another's rights, you don't deserve any (rights)
Extreme? Maybe...but it is how I feel.

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