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1. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4834 posts) 11y

Note: although there are political implications in this post, I have absolutely no desire to discuss them. I would appreciate it very much if you don't reply if that reply would have had any political slant.

According to this article, the department of homeland security is watching interlibrary loans for certain "subversive" books (what is this, the USSR?) such as "Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called 'The Little Red Book.'"
If the person requesting a loan for this book then also has travelled a lot, he gets a personal visit to make certain he isn't a big bad scary 'terrorist'. The chilling effects resulting from this behaviour are obvious, and thoroughly scary.

Now, I was thinking, the best way to fight back against something like this is to overwhelm them. Step 1) find a large group of people who've all travelled a lot (*looks around* Check). Step 2) have them all make interlibrary requests for this (and other books that are likely to be on the list) en masse. If you get a visit, just tell them the truth and refer to this thread, and then report here as well. It's a kind of civil disobedience, but even better, as there's absolutely nothing illegal happening. You're just exerting some freedom in a way that you happen to know might result in more work for this agency completely abusing its power, making a quiet statement that what they're doing is not okay.

Anyone up for this?

2. Posted by mally (Respected Member 199 posts) 11y

what the hell for . if you take a book out why would you be bothered if they checked up on you or your friend if you have nothing to hide it's not really important . get a life;)

3. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Quoting mally

what the hell for . if you take a book out why would you be bothered if they checked up on you or your friend if you have nothing to hide it's not really important . get a life;)

Yes, it is important, but it goes to the heart of the political discussion that Sander has ask we refrain from in this thread. Actually, I think it's an interesting proposal... (And, I'm also not up for the political discussion either...)

Isa heads off to check the hours at her local library...

4. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

Sander...I think I love you. ;)
Great idea!
(racing Isa to the library!)

5. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Can we make requests like that from Norway as well?? :)

I really don't understand outdated rules like this. Any self respecting terrorist these days would use something much harder to track, like the internet.... but governments around the world fail to understand and comprehend the workings of it so far. Oh well, one of these days they'll try and catch up

6. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

Can we make requests like that from Norway as well?? :)

I really don't understand outdated rules like this. Any self respecting terrorist these days would use something much harder to track, like the internet.... but governments around the world fail to understand and comprehend the workings of it so far. Oh well, one of these days they'll try and catch up

I don't see why you shouldn't be able to make requests from Norway. My guess is, you'd get copies of the books without someone knocking on your door because of it. Though, I would be a bit concerned about your next visit to the US and who may be waiting at the gate for you...

It would be interesting to see what books are on that watch list. I wonder if we can request a copy of that??? I'm thinking "Little Red Riding Hood" because we all know that wolf was a subversive with his own agenda...

7. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting Isadora

It would be interesting to see what books are on that watch list. I wonder if we can request a copy of that??? I'm thinking "Little Red Riding Hood" because we all know that wolf was a subversive with his own agenda...

LOL

8. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

On a related note (and I'll only threadjack this for a second! I promise!), Neal was given this weird piece of paper from Homeland Security when he passed through New York on his way to Montreal. It's about the size of a passport, with two squares filled with squiggly lines and two tiny squares in the middle of each. What in the world is that for? They say "it" will only be obligatory on 2007, but they're starting to issue these things now. My best guess is that it's a printout of his eye scan (which he's had to take about 5 times over 2 trips).

Can anyone enlighten me??

Tway runs off to see if she can jump on an old-lady bus down to Plattsburgh to borrow me some books with red covers...

9. Posted by angela_ (Respected Member 1732 posts) 11y

Quoting Sam I Am

Any self respecting terrorist these days would use something much harder to track, like the internet....

I remember reading large parts of The little Red Book on the internet when I was doing an essay about the revolution in China.

10. Posted by mally (Respected Member 199 posts) 11y

with technology as it is they can take a sat photo and sex your cat in the garden. i can get a sat photo of my friend in the thier back garden. governments can hear and monitor us in our homes . i usually find these things are advertised as political distractions. do or say something just to keep you busy ranting till they have worked out and done something else. There aim is to keep in work and you paying for it.