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11. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 11y

but.........standing next to a drunk won't give you cancer. :( Standing next to a smoker could.........

12. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Quoting jase007

My point is: everyone is responsible for their own actions. You have a choice to enter a smoke filled bar, or eat 50,000 burgers and weigh 50ton, purchse a certian type of car or jeans. Therefore you should be responsible for what consequences that may brings, not the goverment telling you what you can do or not do.

Everyone should be responsible for their actions, but the consequences of those actions inevitably affect society (hence government - because we are all, after all, the government).

People who eat lousy all their lives usually end up relying heavily on the health-care system. Smokers are at a much, much higher risk of disease - and they too will inevitably end up relying on the health-care system. What part should the government regulate: how people should eat or where they should smoke - or whether or not such people are entitled to health-care benefits? Or do we let people live as they would and then let the government kick in to pick up the pieces? Because that means everyone is paying the consequences for someone else's bad habits.

I'm not saying governments should tell you how to think and what to buy. What I am saying is that a country with a government is a society - where the greater good of the whole prevails over the desires of the individual. You get to make individual choices because you are responsible for your actions - and no one else should pay the price. But the minute people make individual choices and society/government has to step in - that's when the government needs to regulate. A public place is just that - a place that belongs to the public. A place where the greater good of the public should be respected.

13. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 11y

Public places belong to all, yes; and everyone has the responsability for these and those who frequent these places. But how many bars and clubs do you know that are owned by the goverment (the public purse)? I'm being the anti here, but this amounts to commercial regulation to how we conduct our lives. This is just another step that in the future will regulate what you eat,drink, and do within your social life.
One of the double standard hypocracy of the UK goverment is that THEY (the MP's) will still be allowed to smoke in the bars within the parliment building, why you may ask? well it is classified as a royal palace hence it is not classified as a public place. So we will not only just be subsidising the cheap food and booze, but we will be allowing them to have a quiet drink and cigar in the warmth of the parliment bar whilst all the tax paying public that chose to smoke will be sent out into the winter cold.

passing the soapbox......we ought to be at speakers corner

14. Posted by Twinkle (Respected Member 1112 posts) 11y

I like this whole speakers corner thing?!?We could start off our own political party....take over from Blair (dont even get me started on that guy...grrrrrrr....)
I guess the whole thing about making choices of where to go depending on their policies is pretty much universal ie: if you were dead against smoking you probably wouldnt choose to go and socialise in a cigar lounge,if you were a rigid vegetarian you probably wouldnt choose to go to an exclusive steak house,if you were had strong religious beliefs you may choose to not eat at a restaurant that serves pork or a certain food....if you had a nut allergy you may not want to sit in a bar that has those little bowls of peanuts on the tables.....I guess the freedom of choice is probably a more civilised and appealing characteristic opposed to this forced way of living. I think its cool we are giving all these options and learn the value of free will...I couldnt live in a controlled society...Im all game for playing by the rules but to make your own decisions is liberating!

15. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 11y

I think you've hit the nail on the head
The difference of a real "free world" that the goverments harp on about and the reality that they want to inforce upon us are in two different worlds.
p.s. i'm not Mr Blairs fav fan, the smile reminds me of the clown in stephen kings IT.

16. Posted by IronChef (Full Member 1076 posts) 11y

I don't even know why the govt. should have to be involved with this. It should be our own consciousness that keeps us from forcing our smoke on others. Whatever happened to a little empathy? I smoke and probably way too much. If I were at my own place I wouldn't smoke inside - as I am living with a roommate in her apartment and she smokes inside so do I. But if guests come over and they aren't smokers - I'm not gonna smoke inside. Unfortunately, I am addicted and need to get get my head straight and quit but until I do ... who am I to force my bad habit on some else?

Smoking stinks and I hate the smell on my clothes - and if we ever knew all the chemicals and stuff they put in our American cigarettes - I bet you every smoker would have a good solid case to take to court. I'll bet with the processes and 'secret' ingredients cigarettes should be illegal.

As we all have many vices - lets try not to force them on others who don't. Yeah - lets have a little consideration for our fellow wo/man. And don't wait until you're told to - think for yourself - I'm sure you know right from wrong.

stepping down from my soapbox - Elvis has left the building!

17. Posted by Twinkle (Respected Member 1112 posts) 11y

Ironchef....think we are in the same boat....I smoke wayyyyyy too much and if I was honest I wish I could stop, but Ive tried and its too hard so I figure maybe Im not truely ready to stop yet, but my plan is come next year Im going to quit!I have my final year at Uni now and a lot of stress going on and dont want to add to it!!God, Im even justifying it as I speak!Its is a most horrid habit and it stinks!For all Im a smoker I do think Im a considerate one though...I live in a shared house, 2 of us smoke the rest dont so I always smoke outside, same if I visit someones house, Im always straight into the back garden and Im always conscious of blowing the smoke in someones face who isnt a smoker...But I do have friends who dont really care and they smoke in front of kids, in the immediate presence of people who cant stand it and are always first to light up at the dinner table when people havent finished eating and I HATE THAT!!!!
Jase, glad youre with me on the whole Tony Blair thing....I see where your coming from the whole smile thing and have you seen his wife's?!?!?!?....embarrassing thing is when I was about 14 I had a big crush on Tony Blair.....ewwww, as if I even admitted that?!?!

18. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 11y

Quoting Twinkle

Ironchef.....embarrassing thing is when I was about 14 I had a big crush on Tony Blair.....ewwww, as if I even admitted that?!?!

Ha ha , no counting for taste eh?
I used to smoke, just gave up when i changed jobs, but it was my choice.
I never smoked around those that didn't. It was just right at the time, my choice no one elses or being told.
Does it bother me if others smoke now? No, it's everyones choice and I respect that. Respect is the key on this like everything else you do in life, so why are smokers not respected by the goverment to the point they could be criminalised?

19. Posted by IronChef (Full Member 1076 posts) 11y

Quoting jase007

Respect is the key on this like everything else you do in life, so why are smokers not respected by the goverment to the point they could be criminalised?

As government is elected by the people - they are supposed to set rules and moderate for the general population. Rules and consequences are very broad subjects when looked at by the government. These laws aren't made with anyone specific in mind. The laws are there to, hopefully, protect everyone. They didn't make the laws because I like to smoke after dinner and, if given the chance, will light up right there at my seat at the restaurant. After everyone else at the table is done, of course. But it does cover all the other people in the restuarant that might now like to smell my after-dinner cigarette.

20. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 11y

Quoting IronChef

But it does cover all the other people in the restuarant that might now like to smell my after-dinner cigarette.

I'm not really bugged about the restaurant bit, food and fags don't go together too well. It's the bars and clubs etc.... all public access places include: bus stops, railway platforms (both enclosed and exposed)parks etc....
If they want to save us from this great evil - ban it completely, make it illegal to sell, possess or smoke tobacco.
Lets not pussy about, if they were looking after the health of the nation, that is exactly what they would do!!!
But no, they won't do that because........... they make too much money out of the tax. Now, if smoking cost the country more that it earned in tax revenues why is it still possible to buy a packet? because it dosen't.
Goverments are telling us that we cannot do anything that will reduce our life expentance on one hand, then telling us that we are living too long to be allowed to retire in their 60's on the other.