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31. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 10y

Quoting Raven

i don't smoke but i have to say the smokers part outside the pub has the best athmopheres, everyone mingles with each other, a lot more relaxed then when you're sitting inside with cliques...... the smoking ban is brill for mingling.....

Totally agree! Was at a wedding in Ballina last year and the smoking section was brilliant l got chatting to everyone and l wasnt even smoking!! Or maybe it was the loosing of the tongue from the booze!!

Purdy

32. Posted by TKolb325 (Full Member 197 posts) 10y

Quoting Raven

the sweat and fart odours in clubs is horrible !

Sweat and farts? Remind me not to go clubbing in Ireland!:)

33. Posted by Rraven (Travel Guru 5924 posts) 10y

its not bad everywhere obviously i was just pointing out other odours you can smell, besides its not just ireland, it was the same when i was in the states

34. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Ironically, this was in the local paper today:

Our Fat Fight

It talks about how we can ban smoking, but not overeating - and how it all bolis down to personal responsibility. Still, the consequences affect everyone, in the end. I have visions of a health-care system so strained that it will collapse before I reach retirement - all because people today are not taking responsibility for their health. That will mean we may have to revert back to a pay-per-use health system, after all the taxes and grants and other money we've invested in medicare. We're all responsible for it - with every life choice we make.

Realizes she's standing on two soapboxes and decides to clean the windows while she's up here.

35. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Quoting tway

Ironically, this was in the local paper today:

Our Fat Fight

It talks about how we can ban smoking, but not overeating - and how it all bolis down to personal responsibility. Still, the consequences affect everyone, in the end. I have visions of a health-care system so strained that it will collapse before I reach retirement - all because people today are not taking responsibility for their health. That will mean we may have to revert back to a pay-per-use health system, after all the taxes and grants and other money we've invested in medicare. We're all responsible for it - with every life choice we make.

Realizes she's standing on two soapboxes and decides to clean the windows while she's up here.

I'm with you there Tway.

Fast food companies are no different from cigarette companies, in that they both push rubbish to consumers.

Yes we have a choice, but we don't need things constantly shoved in our face to be told we "have a choice" (whether it be cigarettes, junnk food, loterry tickets/gambling opportuinities, etc). These companies need to tone it down a bit.

My local petrol station was recently taken over, and now it's nothing more than a junk food shop that happens to sell petrol. You have to walk past rows and rows of chocolates, etc to pay for your petrol, and even then the top of the counter is clear and there are chocolate bars staring up at you.

This sort of sounds funny, but it's not a joke when you literally have 500 different types of chocolate bar/crisps, etc in your face.

No wonder people are fat, and to my mind fast food companies are mostly to blame.

36. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Quoting james

Fast food companies are no different from cigarette companies, in that they both push rubbish to consumers.

Yes we have a choice, but we don't need things constantly shoved in our face to be told we "have a choice" (whether it be cigarettes, junnk food, loterry tickets/gambling opportuinities, etc). These companies need to tone it down a bit.

That reminds me of Supersize Me!, or a book I read called Fast-Food Nation. The latter explains all the goings on behind the scenes of the big fast-food restaurants in the US (although they can be found around the world). From unsafe slaughterhouses to lax food inspectors to what amounts to a potato monopoly, those restaurants attempt to control not only what goes into their 'food', but also what dietary choices the population makes.

It's hard to draw a line, though, between these companies and personal responsibility. In one scene from Supersize Me! (and I can't remember it exactly, so I'll paraphrase), a rather obese woman stands up in the audience and says to Morgan Spurlock (the guy who ate McDonald's for a month and almost killed himself, and then lost the weight after a year): "It's all fine and dandy that you lost the weight, but not everyone can afford to eat at Subway!" Apparently, she thought her choice was fast food or submarines. It was an odd moment.

37. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

1984 here we come !!!!!!!!!!

38. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Tway, there is definitely some level of responsibility that people have to take. Ultimately, they either purchase the item or they don't.

However, people don't need to be constantly tempted at every turn. We are only human afterall, and it's this constant temptation that these companies use as they know that it works.

In Sydney, a pub used to be a place you consumed alcohol. If you wanted to bet on sport, you did so elsewhere. If you wanted to lose money on gambling machines, you did so somewhere else.

Now, most of the betting agents are located inside pubs, and gambling machines are also now allowed within the pubs. So you have a mixture of alcohol, and in-your-face-gambling all in the one establsihment. By in-you-face I mean TV screens everywhere showing the latest horse race, the sounds and lights of gambling machines invading your senses, etc. Needless to say there's an outbreak of problem gambling in Sydney (but that's "okay", the publican and the government profit, and the Salvation Army can deal with the dregs).

I'm not against gambling (nor chocolate), but it all needs to be in moderation, and at present it's not.

39. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

James,
I see your point and last time i was in aus i noticed it had got worse with the gambling machines and tv's.
Personally, i like to goto a pub to relax and have a laugh, watch some sport and maybe a game of pool or darts. I don 't however like sports bars with tv's everywhere or fruit machines all over the place.
Therefore i don't go into those type of bars, if people didn't goto places they don't like it's not a problem - A Matter of CHOICE.
An example of this that always make me laugh, people writing in to complain about some tv programme and it's content. If you don't like it don't watch
Same with food, smoking, drinking etc... just tell the gov to sort out their own problems before telling me what to do!!!

40. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

jase007,

These types of pubs are highly profitable, so you lose out if you don't transform. Therefore most pubs are like that now (actually, about 99% of them)