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1. Posted by mim (Travel Guru 1276 posts) 10y

Does your passport expire in 2008? How do you feel about getting an ID card instead??

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2. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

The problem is:
1 - we will have to apply for both an ID card AND a passport (dosen't figure to me why they just don't combine it to the passport).
2 - Not too happy about the price, passports are getting dearer each year and you can bet the ID card will have to be renewed on a regular basis at our cost.
3 - What are they going to do with the information? they sell the electrol role to businnesses as it is.
4 - we'll be required to carry it with us at all times, so we'll have an ID card, Drivers licence, and Passport plus you National Insurance card. now thats just goverment agencies, so you can add onto that all you credit,store,club and debit cards, work id cards etc.....
So it looks like you may need to carry a briefcase with you just to contain all your forms of ID !!!

Not that i've got a gripe with it or anything - but you did ask

3. Posted by Clarabell (Travel Guru 1696 posts) 10y

Yeah, mine expires 2008. How are they suggesting it might work? Would a new passport double as ID card? Or are they seperate? I would like to find out more about the how they are proposing it would work.

And would you have to carry it with you? or just produce it in several days if necessary like the driving license. Because to carry it around risks it being stolen and misused, but at at the same time, whats the point if you don't have it with you?

They keep saying it will help prevent terrorism, but I can't see how? Unless you check everyones ID before they get on the tube, which is ridiculous and how would it help? The guys responsible for the London Bombs in July were British Citizens anyway, and could have carried legitimate ID.

I suppose it might help with catching criminals and maybe stuff like fraud and illegal employment.

I'm a law abiding citizen with no criminal records and nothing to hide, but I still feel kind of threatened by the idea, like its taking away the freedom to be anonymous. Its Big Brother-ish.

4. Posted by Clarabell (Travel Guru 1696 posts) 10y

Jase- your post wasn't there when I started writing mine! Soounds like you know a lot more about it.

What happens when you change addresses? Will you have to shell out? I have moved house 5 times in as many years and can see it causing all kinds of problems.

We'll have to carry bigger bags when we go out! or maybe start wearing money belts for security! Its ridiculous.

5. Posted by mim (Travel Guru 1276 posts) 10y

these are all good questions, illustrating the main problem with the proposal in that the british public, in general is still confused about the purpose of the cards and something that arises from this is what they will be able to do when we all have the cards...

The national database will be the main issue, are we on the slippery slope to 1984?
Also, how can we justify spending all that money on the scheme when there are so many more areas of greater need and when similar pilot schemes in other countries have not shown any net benefit to the individual or the state...

I was just interested in general opinion about it, because I've always found it a tiresome subject but it appears to be rearing its ugly head once again...

6. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

Quoting ClaraLiz

What happens when you change addresses? Will you have to shell out? I have moved house 5 times in as many years and can see it causing all kinds of problems.

Of course you'll have to pay, but it depends on if there is an address on the card if you have to be issued with a new card. In germany (if your not a german national, not sure about if they have to)when you move, you have to inform the police.
I think it will expand people working on the black,

7. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 10y

I got my passport renewed last year! In Northern Ireland our Drivers Licence have had photos for years and years very much like an idea card. When we move you dont have to pay for the licence just provide new photos then every 10 years renew your licence and pay a fee then.

8. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

Drivers licenses are through the DVLA, photos have been on them for almost 10 years now. It will be comulsary to have a photo drivers license soon, so those who have not renewed them to the photo version be warned !!!When applying for a new version check that you have all the correct categories, as there have been a lot of instances where people have 'lost' their motorbike or hgv categories. The DVLA will only re-issue it with the missing only if you can provide proof, so photocopy it before sending off for renewal.

The ID cards will be issued through the home office i think, it will be in conjunction with your new biometric passport (we'll have two bio forms of id)and this system will cost an absolute bomb so garantee we'll have to pay for every re-issue.

9. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 10y

I don't really have much of a moral objection to carrying an ID card - I think it would be an expensive waste of time though, how is it going to help anything?

10. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

Quoting magykal1

how is it going to help anything?

It wont is the answer, it's just a way to keep tabs on the adverage joe bloggs.