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Why is the Swiss passport "the gold card of citizenships"?

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51. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting Pardus

I want to be a Swine by citizenship and not just by nature, thank you....

And Sam, yeah, Palestine would work brilliantly, thanks. Now I have to find out how to get a citizenship for there, could be quite difficult at the moment.

That may be your only choice since most of the other "ine" countries use "ein". Swein just doesn't have the same appeal...

52. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 10y

Quoting Pardus

I want to be a Swine!

I thought you've always wanted to be a Swissilly.

53. Posted by Rraven (Travel Guru 5924 posts) 10y

i think swish is better !!! us irish have the real gold card !! hehehehe well that would be if the leprechauns ever tell us where the end of the rainbow really is

54. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 10y

Quoting raven

i think swish is better !!! us irish have the real gold card !! hehehehe well that would be if the leprechauns ever tell us where the end of the rainbow really is

You would find the end of the rainbow if you wouldn't stop at every bleedin' pub along the way!

55. Posted by Rraven (Travel Guru 5924 posts) 10y

but its for energy !!

56. Posted by saukswiss (First Time Poster 1 posts) 10y

I dont want a Swiss passport! There are so many people who are so called foreigners born and "bred" in Switzerland which are denied a swiss passport or full citizenship. I hold a British pass and was told i could receive a Swiss passport after 5 years provided i was still married to my Swiss wife, we separated after 4.5 years and was denied a pass because although we were still married we were not living together. There are actually people employed to go and check if you are living together. I spent 5 years there and unfortuately my son resides there now. I hate to think how he will be brainwashed like so many other Swiss people into thinking there country is the only place worth living. And yes i would also have to agree that people living there are not as they first appear. If you are not born there and have a Swiss passport and speak fluent Swiss German you are 2nd class and dont belong. You can live there 20 years and will always be an outsider. I struggled to make real conversation about anything that maybe seen as negative about Switzerland. There are however a great many good things about the place but deep down all is not what it appears to be. Having one of the highest GDP, beautiful surroundings, low crime, low tax, good schools yet ... high suicide? I live in Britain which is ok, has many problems and many good things, but people are citizens after 5 years no matter what ... and you can vote. Also i think most are willing to accept and talk openly about the history of there country what it did wrong and what it did right. I should like to see that in Switzerland, I grew up in South African, which has massive problems but are very open about it. These are just my humble thoughts on the matter.

57. Posted by aleah (Full Member 400 posts) 10y

It seems that I will be the only "pure" Swiss who does respond to this thread. I only hold a Swiss passport.
As for integration into a culture, I think everyone will have a hard time moving to place where you don't know the language.

Saukswiss I recommend you to read "Beyond Chocolate - understanding Swiss culture" by Margaret Oertig-Davidson, I read it and it helped me a lot to understand how the Swiss (I) are seen by others.

the book explains the following:
Swiss are like coconuts: normally really hard to get to know, but as soon as you cracked the shell you can have everything from them.

people in English-speaking culture are like peaches: really friendly and it's easy to become friends, but really hard to become friends "for a life-time".

cheers,
a former banker

58. Posted by tallbird (Respected Member 269 posts) 10y

Swiss are like coconuts: normally really hard to get to know, but as soon as you cracked the shell you can have everything from them.

I completely agree with aleah. I grew up in Switzerland speaking English at home and speaking swiss-german at school. My parents didn't speak much German but because they tried hard to intergrate into swiss society, ie putting their kids into local schools, trying to learn German, joining the local clubs etc. They were made to feel extremely welcome and treated like Swiss. Actually I reckon even better than most Swiss.
Its like aleah said; At first they are hard nuts to crack but as soon as Swiss realise that you are attempting to make the effort (regardless on whether you succeed to speak the language fluently or not, etc), they become very hospitable. And they do become friends for life!

59. Posted by Zoom (Full Member 131 posts) 10y

Quoting saukswiss

I dont want a Swiss passport! There are so many people who are so called foreigners born and "bred" in Switzerland which are denied a swiss passport or full citizenship. I hold a British pass and was told i could receive a Swiss passport after 5 years provided i was still married to my Swiss wife, we separated after 4.5 years and was denied a pass because although we were still married we were not living together. There are actually people employed to go and check if you are living together. I spent 5 years there and unfortuately my son resides there now. I hate to think how he will be brainwashed like so many other Swiss people into thinking there country is the only place worth living. And yes i would also have to agree that people living there are not as they first appear. If you are not born there and have a Swiss passport and speak fluent Swiss German you are 2nd class and dont belong. You can live there 20 years and will always be an outsider. I struggled to make real conversation about anything that maybe seen as negative about Switzerland. There are however a great many good things about the place but deep down all is not what it appears to be. Having one of the highest GDP, beautiful surroundings, low crime, low tax, good schools yet ... high suicide? I live in Britain which is ok, has many problems and many good things, but people are citizens after 5 years no matter what ... and you can vote. Also i think most are willing to accept and talk openly about the history of there country what it did wrong and what it did right. I should like to see that in Switzerland, I grew up in South African, which has massive problems but are very open about it. These are just my humble thoughts on the matter.

Great to hear some truth about a place that has so much trouble dealing with it's own truth. A place that hides behind so many masks, BRAVO !!! Zoom

60. Posted by penna (Full Member 110 posts) 10y

saukswiss - are u absolutely sure about the whole second class citizen thing? i am currently living in the german part of switzerland with my swiss boyfriend, we plan to marry next year as i am quite keen to shed my australian citizenship. i haven^t experienced any of the problems u speak of - yet. i speak german and am learning swissgerman and i find ppl to be really kind and helpful to me and the young people here know they have problems wih their country. u r right about the suicide thing here, swiss people are so rich it makes them miserable.