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42. Posted by Zoom (Full Member 131 posts) 10y

No problem Belize Me, I understand your point. I'm just having trouble with the people who don't understand the seriousness of the issue, that's all. My family suffered greatly during World War II under the boot of the Nazis and Russians. I know a thing or two about Government Control and Power. Some people don't get it . What's the quote, "Those that do not learn from history are destined to repeat it"? Something like that. Everybody needs to wake up and take what's going on VERY seriously. This is how it ALWAYS starts. Hitler didn't gain power in a day, a week, a month...neither did Stalin. These things creep up and people need to understand that - well, WINDMILL has a good handle on it, he fully gets it. A few others are getting there (but not enough. It happened before and it can again - easily). Zoom

43. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

The inflammatory posts have been removed, as per forum rules. Keep it nice guys. I don't believe anyone has ever been convinced of anything through the use of ALL CAPS and belittling comments.

44. Posted by Intrepid A (Budding Member 70 posts) 10y

Wow I never wanted this to get too personal. It's great everyone has an opinion & has the freedom to express it.
I live in Australia [I moved from UK a long time ago because I didn't agree with the politics of the day]. I have many friends from various regions in the world & to hear their parents stories of how they arrived in Oz is truly belittling...sometimes you don't realise how lucky you are not to be walking x miles a day for drinkable water or living in fear of your house bombed from under you or spend every day worrying that your family will be killed because you don’t support the regional government.
I walk down to supermarket & get upset that my cut of meat or my brand of water isn't available - how pathetic is that?!

All I wanted to do with this post is make people aware that rights are being slowly eroded away [worldwide not just in the States, UK or AUS]. I, personally, am happy to make a stand before it is too late [yes I am an idiot that believes one person can make a difference & a bit of a 'gobshite'!].
I was gob smacked that this happened on entering US & I guess am lucky to have been told before landing.
Posts have suggested this is about to be commonplace in the 'industrialised' world, At the end of the day WE give these people power & WE vote them in...& it’s called democracy?! Ha ha ....when big business stops funding political parties maybe!
A real democracy would be scared that 1 million people marched in protest against a war rather than labeling us as 'liberal hippy activists' [this happened in Australia].

Apathy Rules? Well not from what has been said on this site. It’s good to know people feel strongly - either way.
I am happy to take a stand - one by one eh? - & say no
Wish me luck fella’s, I am gonna refuse to be fingerprinted …even if it means someone hauling my shiny white ass back to UK/Aus xx

45. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4808 posts) 10y

Thank you. Do tell us afterward how they took it and what happened.

46. Posted by Windmill (Full Member 125 posts) 10y

Blimey, I went out to a gig and look what happened here! Valid points from everyone and I'd sincerely love to find out what happened on your arrival in the US Mr. Intrepid A.

Peace.

47. Posted by MerB (Full Member 147 posts) 10y

Quoting Peter

The inflammatory posts have been removed, as per forum rules. Keep it nice guys. I don't believe anyone has ever been convinced of anything through the use of ALL CAPS and belittling comments.

It is understandable surely that people use strong language or merely express themselves strongly when engaged in a subject they feel strongly about. Personally I didn't find the language/caps offensive, I just felt it meant people felt passionate about what they were saying! But then, unfortunately, I'm not an Admin.

48. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

Quoting MerB

It is understandable surely that people use strong language or merely express themselves strongly when engaged in a subject they feel strongly about. Personally I didn't find the language/caps offensive, I just felt it meant people felt passionate about what they were saying! But then, unfortunately, I'm not an Admin.

I don't find it a problem if people feel strongly about something and can express that. What is a problem is when they actively and intentionally insult other members, which was the case with several of the posts I removed.

And the posts weren't removed due to all caps - I was just expressing my view that they never help in convincing people (quite the opposite), considering it is the internet equivalent to shouting.

We want to keep this a nice place for everyone to discuss things freely without being called names by other members.

49. Posted by Windmill (Full Member 125 posts) 10y

Good point, i've always wondered about the nanny style removal of posts. We're all adults on here and if things do get out of hand then surely it should just be that Private messages should be used instead. If, for example, two people are not seeing eye-to-eye and have corrupted and hijacked a perfectly good post then they should be asked to leave and settle the dispute between themselves (with PM's) and if they fail to do so and continue to post then remove any further posts in that topic. I can understand how admin on here wish to provide a great forum where people can share ideas, plans, stories, anecdotes and information, but it's also a great place for debating wider issues as everyone on here is (or is looking to be) really well travelled. Of course there are going to be disagreements, but surely that's what we want? Well formed debate. There is something to learn from everyone, whether they be a good person or a bad person. I say leave the posts up as long as they are not bickering between folk.

50. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

Precisely Windmill. And it was the bickering that was removed, not the arguments.