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51. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

I just came upon this thread and have not read all of the posts as yet.

My opinion is that if I had to be fingerprinted to enter a country I don't think I'd go there. I have a passport, it has my date of birth, place of birth, photograph, etc in it, so what's with wanting to take (and record) my fingerprint? I either have the necessary documentation to enter a country, or I don't. If I don't, then turn me away. If I do, then don't ask for anything else.

Some people say that "if you have done nothing wrong then don't worry about it". I ask "if I've done nothing wrong then why do you need to do it?".

I like American people, and am not a Bush hater, but I'll holiday elsewhere.

52. Posted by tadwablue (Budding Member 15 posts) 10y

personally i think if they are going to finger print all visitors then they should have finger printed all citizens first and to exclude canadians ...wtf is that all about???
canada is a different country as is australia where i am from.
i will be going to the states soon and i wont refuse cause i want to holiday there but still i can understand really it is an invasion of rights.
if does feel like you are being watched just one more way for them to keep an eye on you.
however if it stops me from being mixed up with someone who might plant drugs in my bags (such like shapelle corby) or a some other offence then im happy to provide my prints ..if i didnt do anything then i simlpy wont be able to be proved that i have.

53. Posted by Windmill (Full Member 125 posts) 10y

Quoting tadwablue

however if it stops me from being mixed up with someone who might plant drugs in my bags (such like shapelle corby) or a some other offence then im happy to provide my prints ..if i didnt do anything then i simlpy wont be able to be proved that i have.

I don't understand your last point. How is having your fingerprint taken on entry to a country going to stop you being mixed up with someone who might plant drugs on you???

54. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Quoting tadwablue

personally i think if they are going to finger print all visitors then they should have finger printed all citizens first and to exclude canadians ...wtf is that all about???

Canada and the U.S. have the longest undefended border in the world, and a lot of people and goods go through the border every day. The U.S. has a 'special' agreement with Canada when it comes to customs checks and the like - all you need is a valid ID (driver's licence, birth certificate, etc) to cross into the US. However, we've been hearing a lot in the news that Canadians will soon need a passport or special ID card to enter the States, which will wreak havoc on the economies of border states and Canadian cities. Fingerprinting probably won't be far behind.

55. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting Windmill

Of course there are going to be disagreements, but surely that's what we want? Well formed debate. There is something to learn from everyone, whether they be a good person or a bad person. I say leave the posts up as long as they are not bickering between folk.

Wow, I take time out to watch a movie and get a good night's sleep and "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" comes to mind.

Whether it is a Moderator or an Administrator making the decisions of what should go and what should stay, the bickering will always be removed - as it was here. The "meaty" stuff is still intact and there to comment upon. It is a good debate, regardless of which side of the fence someone stands, and quite enlightening to boot.

Janine - good luck with the refusal - as Sander said, let us know how it all turns out for you. ;)

56. Posted by Belize Me (Full Member 137 posts) 10y

Quoting james

I just came upon this thread and have not read all of the posts as yet.

My opinion is that if I had to be fingerprinted to enter a country I don't think I'd go there. I have a passport, it has my date of birth, place of birth, photograph, etc in it, so what's with wanting to take (and record) my fingerprint? I either have the necessary documentation to enter a country, or I don't. If I don't, then turn me away. If I do, then don't ask for anything else.

Some people say that "if you have done nothing wrong then don't worry about it". I ask "if I've done nothing wrong then why do you need to do it?".

I like American people, and am not a Bush hater, but I'll holiday elsewhere.

One of the problems with documentation is counterfeiting. Last year, in Brampton or Brantford (can't remember which city)Canada a women found blank phony passports in a bag on a park bench. Someone called the open line radio program and said it was very easy to buy a fake passport. I don't know if they were talking about the US or Canada but I don't have any doubt that they are available.

Belize Me

57. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Quoting Belize Me

Quoting james

I just came upon this thread and have not read all of the posts as yet.

My opinion is that if I had to be fingerprinted to enter a country I don't think I'd go there. I have a passport, it has my date of birth, place of birth, photograph, etc in it, so what's with wanting to take (and record) my fingerprint? I either have the necessary documentation to enter a country, or I don't. If I don't, then turn me away. If I do, then don't ask for anything else.

Some people say that "if you have done nothing wrong then don't worry about it". I ask "if I've done nothing wrong then why do you need to do it?".

I like American people, and am not a Bush hater, but I'll holiday elsewhere.

One of the problems with documentation is counterfeiting. Last year, in Brampton or Brantford (can't remember which city)Canada a women found blank phony passports in a bag on a park bench. Someone called the open line radio program and said it was very easy to buy a fake passport. I don't know if they were talking about the US or Canada but I don't have any doubt that they are available.

Belize Me

So what? One of the problems with heaps of stuff is counterfeiting; money, clothes, watches, CDs, software... (I'm sure you've never bought a "brand name" shirt in some markets somewhere for a few dollars) but that's not an excuse to ask for my fingerprint when I'm shopping.

58. Posted by Belize Me (Full Member 137 posts) 10y

It might not be an excuse but I would bet a dollar to a donut that it is one of the reasons that they are doing it. If passports and other paper id's are being counterfeited, how else can they prove that you are who you say you are? I'm not saying they are right....just asking a question.

Belize me

59. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Quoting Belize Me

It might not be an excuse but I would bet a dollar to a donut that it is one of the reasons that they are doing it. If passports and other paper id's are being counterfeited, how else can they prove that you are who you say you are? I'm not saying they are right....just asking a question.

Belize me

But how does taking my fingerprint prove who I am? All it proves is that I am the person who is presenting themselves, nothing more. No different from a photo.

It only truly verifies my identity when they check my fingerprint against my record in their database. Sure, check my passport number and check that the photo in the passport matches me physically, but don't ask for anything else.

60. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4833 posts) 10y

Even with databases, fingerprints systems are rather unreliable with establishing identity. Many types of construction workers have such calluses on their fingertips that they basically have "blank" fingerprints, and faking fingerprints well enough to fool most detectors is quite easy as well.