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71. Posted by briggsy (Budding Member 7 posts) 10y

I've been to the States several times since the fingerprinting became mandatory, personally I have nothing to hide and it doesn't bother me but can see where a lot of people are coming from. But was recently in Israel and no such procedure was implemented, so beginning to question the legitimcay of the programme but unfortunately I will be a sheep and do as I'm told and continue going to the States and providing my fingerprints (by the way it's only one finger that gets scanned)

72. Posted by Zoom (Full Member 131 posts) 10y

I say stop coming here. The only thing the USA reacts to is when the money gets low. Stop spending your dollars here and soon they will be rolling out the red carpet for you (when tourism goes down and all the Hotel owners start sceaming at the Government) The fingerprinting is a joke. Homeland Security is a joke. Every once in a while there's a story how a 4 month old baby can't board a plane because his name is on a terrorist watch list. They ACTUALLY deny him boarding. As Dylan said , "Idiot Wind, it's a wonder that they still know how to breath" They surely are a wonder, one of the 7 most idiotic wonders of the world......Zoom

73. Posted by Intrepid A (Budding Member 70 posts) 10y

Well kids I refused & was busted off to some dude in Dept of Homeland Security who explained they whys & wherefores of the reasoning only non-US citizens must have BOTH index fingers AND Iris scans to enter US....what a load of bollocks [technical term]is all I can say! It is just fear generation and creates a very them & us situation.
Didn't the 911 terrorists have US passports?

I was assured my privacy would be protected and the data would not be sold...
"mate that's not what bothers me it's the fact that you have it in the first place...what if you want to set me up for something? You have my finger prints you can plant them anywhere & who is gonna belive me over you?"
"The US goverment would never do that"
"Riiiight! All Governments worldwide are sweet, innocent & would never dream of setting up anonth government or an individual up"

The questions that were totally avoided - and believe me I kept asking - were how long do you keep the information for and when do you destroy it? I just kept getting refered to a web site.....but no offer of an internet connection was actually forthcoming

Anyway...my point was I & no-one else is informed of this on the visa waiver forms or on immigration web site. You are told if you are from country X,Y,Z you don't need a visa when in fact it should say you don't need a visa but you will be expected to give up fingerprints & iris details. Personally I would rather apply for a visitors visa.

...I hear Canada is nice this time of year

Happy travels

74. Posted by Windmill (Full Member 125 posts) 10y

So did you go through with it then? There's no way I'm visiting the states as a tourist again if this is what you are suject to. I like the fact that all important questions were avoided or referred to a website. I also can't believe they don't tell you this when applying for a visa.

The land of the FREE!

75. Posted by john7buck (Respected Member 458 posts) 10y

Sorry to hear about that Intrepid, but way to stand your ground.

Though I don't have to go through with the whole fingerprint deal being a citizen and all, I tried a couple of months ago to refuse to take my shoes off, but caved in the end. Usually I travel in flip flops or kick-off type shoes, but on this one occasion I was traveling in dress-type shoes and really didn't feel like having to tie/untie because I was quite late for the flight.

So I asked the rather stern guy at security; is this required or recommended? He said that it is only recommended, but that unless I wanted the full cavity search, etc. etc. that I'd better comply.

I can understand the need for the higher level of security in this day and age, but there's gotta be a better way. Half of the stuff they do seems to be just for show anyway.

76. Posted by tallbird (Respected Member 269 posts) 10y

I asked a security guard in the US if I had to take my shoes off and she said I didn't! So, I turned round and told everyone else in our group that they could keep their shoes on. However, two of our group were then instructed to take theirs off , but the rest of us (six) didn't.

Do they just choose by random? Or did I just have a nice security guard that really didn't want to have the smell of my trainers near her?:)

77. Posted by Belize Me (Full Member 137 posts) 10y

Quoting john7buck

So I asked the rather stern guy at security; is this required or recommended? He said that it is only recommended, but that unless I wanted the full cavity search, etc. etc. that I'd better comply.

Holy smokes...they look for bad teeth also?

[ Edit: Fixed quote ]

78. Posted by Zoom (Full Member 131 posts) 10y

Yeah, they just choose at random...they're really genius experts at all this security stuff, that's why they were SO successful at stopping the attacks on 9/11. A Cavity search? Why would they do that? all they're gonna find up there is the Brains of the Head of Homeland Security and all the little brains of the the Bush Administration........... Believe me, there's AT LEAST one or two of those floating around ........Zoom

79. Posted by MerB (Full Member 147 posts) 10y

Quoting Cupcake

I have been finger printed for various jobs, and the two times I was arrested,

Well aren't you glad you already live in the USA?
Because you wouldn't have been allowed in.

80. Posted by MerB (Full Member 147 posts) 10y

Quoting briggsy

I've been to the States several times since the fingerprinting became mandatory, personally I have nothing to hide and it doesn't bother me but can see where a lot of people are coming from. But was recently in Israel and no such procedure was implemented, so beginning to question the legitimcay of the programme but unfortunately I will be a sheep and do as I'm told and continue going to the States and providing my fingerprints (by the way it's only one finger that gets scanned)

Good point though. if Israel doesn't get paranoid then no country can excuse to be.