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21. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Great points Isa.

My concern with rubbish that go around murdering, raping and blowing people up, is that if they are not given the death penalty, then there's always a chance that one day they'll be back out on the street doing it all over again.

I do have to ask, how is the death penalty not a deterrent? Do you look both ways before crossing the road? Of course you do! Why? Because the penalty for not doing so might be death, should you get hit by a car. So the death penalty works for me, and no doubt you, in a number of ways in our everyday lives.

22. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting tway

I was just reading about all the innocent people who were either finally released from death row, or else were only proven innocent after they were hung/shot/humanely injected/etc.

Students at Northwestern University in Chicago were allowed to "investigate" closed cases, found enough evidence to re-open several cases and have those cases re-tried. Because of this, Illinois has a moratorium regarding the death penalty.

Quoting james

Great points Isa.

Thank you, James.

23. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 10y

Quoting james

Great points Isa.

My concern with rubbish that go around murdering, raping and blowing people up, is that if they are not given the death penalty, then there's always a chance that one day they'll be back out on the street doing it all over again.

I do have to ask, how is the death penalty not a deterrent? Do you look both ways before crossing the road? Of course you do! Why? Because the penalty for not doing so might be death, should you get hit by a car. So the death penalty works for me, and no doubt you, in a number of ways in our everyday lives.

James,
Most murders in the US are not well thought out 'professional hits'. Any study you care to read will show that most are spur of the moment, emotional reactions to circumstances. Nobody stops in the heat of the moment and ponders, "Oh, I could get the death penalty if I continue on this course of action." They react, violently. Considering the consequences enters in when you spend time planning the murder.

If you check, I don't think you will see less murder in Texas where they enforce the death penalty than in Maine where they have life without parole.

24. Posted by Vlakvark (Budding Member 40 posts) 10y

For once, I agree with James. If you followed the news in the last 72 hours or so (I presume this story would have made its way around the world) where two lads were shot execution style. They were found completely naked, lying next to each other, next to a highway in Cape Town. I don't care for the arguments about justice having to be blind and without emotion. These thugs who did this does not deserve to live. With new technology today, I also believe that the chances of someone being convicted of a crime when he is innocent, is very slim indeed.

If society cant protect itself from criminals, it becomes the governments responsibility to institute measures which in their opinion would protect the citizens of that country. If the representatives in government were democratically elected, surely they should implement the wishes of their constituency?

You're never going to eradicate all evil, but at least seeing people getting what they deserve (and if you kill, you deserve to be killed) will allow us to feel that justice was done.

25. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 10y

Vlakvark;
I wish it were true that with modern technology only the guilty were convicted of their crimes. Unfortunately, that is not the case. The US has one of the best court systems on the planet and we convict innocent people all the time. The US assumes your are innocent, this is not true in many countries. You will be provided an attorney, free of charge if you are destitute. Again, many countries do not do this. There are many chances of appeal if you are found guilty and the process can take years. In China, you could be found guilty and executed the same day. Very difficult to correct a mistake if the death penalty has already been carried out.

Educated yourself by reading about the Innocence Project, run by Barry Scheck & Peter Neufield. If you want some distrubing reading, google china + death penalty. China executes thousands a year for charges that in most countries only warrent a jail sentence.

I understand your frustration with crime and the viscious thugs that kill without remorse. I do not want them on this planet either. But, until we have a foolproof way of determining who is guilty of a particular crime, I am against the death pnealty and favor life without parole.

26. Posted by MerB (Full Member 147 posts) 10y

Quoting vegasmike6

But, until we have a foolproof way of determining who is guilty of a particular crime, I am against the death pnealty and favor life without parole.

Of course in the absence of witnesses it can also be difficult to prove that you were in fact defending yourself

27. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 10y

Quoting MerB

Quoting vegasmike6

But, until we have a foolproof way of determining who is guilty of a particular crime, I am against the death pnealty and favor life without parole.

Of course in the absence of witnesses it can also be difficult to prove that you were in fact defending yourself

MerB;
Very good point. This is why advanced countries have the jury system. You have a chance to tell your side of the story and hopefully convince a jury of your peers that you are innocent. Juries can and do make mistakes, so I favor life without parole for heinous crimes.

28. Posted by tallbird (Respected Member 269 posts) 10y

I also find knowing that you will spend the rest of your life in prison, being stripped of your dignity, having no choices, limited visitation rights and living with the constant reminder of why you are there is probably a worse punishment than death. Look how many people actually commit suicide in prison because they can't handle it.

29. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

An update - mainly because I know someone will bring this thread back shortly anyway...

Today, Zacarias Moussaoui was given life in prison. Not only does this make the US look good in the world's eye, it also does not allow Moussaoui to become the martyr. This is not a comment of on the religious nor the political aspects of the case - just the sentence that will be imposed.

30. Posted by tallbird (Respected Member 269 posts) 10y

Quoting Isadora

An update - mainly because I know someone will bring this thread back shortly anyway...

Today, Zacarias Moussaoui was given life in prison. Not only does this make the US look good in the world's eye, it also does not allow Moussaoui to become the martyr. This is not a comment of on the religious nor the political aspects of the case - just the sentence that will be imposed.

I think they made the right decision. Not because I'm against the death penalty- but as Isa said- Moussaoui has not been allowed to become a martyr in his own eyes. he will now just rot in a jail and be forgotten- the worst thing that can probably happen to him!!!!!