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51. Posted by Clarabell (Travel Guru 1696 posts) 10y

Its been proven that in countries like Holland and Sweden which have a much more open and relaxed attitiude to Sex Education than the UK, the teenage pregnancy rate is miles lower, and contrary to what some people might expect, teenagers on average tend to wait longer before first having sex.

I suspect however, that maybe what makes most difference in the pregnancy rate might be more to do with social and economic situations, like girls perceptions of their opportunities in education and careers etc, and role models around them.

Very interesting area to read more on!

52. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Australians are binge drinkers like the Brits and Aussies.

Pubs here in Sydney have very liberal opening hours. A lot are open 24 hours or until midnight or 3am or whatever - these are suburban pubs (generally located away from homes) that I'm talking about, not inner city pubs.

Yet, it's not possible to buy alcohol from supermarkets, nor is it easy to find many suburban restaurants selling alcohol. The pubs have the alcohol market sewn up, and they lobby ($$) the politicians very hard when there's any rumble about changing the liquor laws.

It's just in some people's blood to trash themselves.

53. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

Quoting james

nor is it easy to find many suburban restaurants selling alcohol. The pubs have the alcohol market sewn up, and they lobby ($$) the politicians very hard when there's any rumble about changing the liquor laws.

eh? I've never had any trouble getting alcohol at any restaurant. Is this a NSW thing?

54. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

It most definitely is a NSW thing.

All we hear about up here is how sensible the liquor laws are in Victoria when it comes to who can serve alcohol; the wonderful wine bars and the plentiful licensed restaurants.

The Australian Hotel Association has the NSW State Government in it's back pocket.

http://australianpolitics.com/words/2006/archives/00000034.shtml

55. Posted by MavsWorld (Budding Member 2 posts) 10y

I'm English, I've been drinking since I was 12, having sex since 14 and the laws never stopped me. I drink socially and not to get drunk, I don't have that much money being a student and just drink drinks I enjoy and will remember. Sometimes it's fun getting a little drunk, but I have never got violent and drunk.

First off I think that American has the highest team pregnancy rate, also Americans when they come over here have a bad reputation for binge drinking. Brits have this reputation in Europe. I think I see a correlation between safer drinking and lower age limits. Also I don't think that most people who have sex and get pregnant even realise there is an age limit. I remember watching a sex education film about a girl who got pregnant at 13, she'd been having sex since 11! Did she even have pubes? Anyway she wanted the father to be a bad guy, go joyriding etc. Does this tell you something about teen pregnancies, to me it suggests that usually the people who have teen pregnancies are usually those who are too naive to use birth control properly.
I was given a good sex education, birth control was made available to me by the local council for free, and thus I don't have any illegitimate children. I know I am generalising horribly here, but I think we need to relax on the rules and actually think of helping people. Sex is a natural thing, Romeo was 19 Juliet 13, these are two of the greatest lovers in history. So why are we so prudish. If sex and drink aren't made out to be something so big, people wouldn't do them regardless.
It's not hard to get alcohol here, I never had a problem getting served, just a beard allowed me to get served underage. I think making sex ed and prevention more available will solve our teen pregnancies. Also get rid of stupid sex laws and make them so they actually work.
On the sex laws, the actual laws are that no sex under 16 is legal, If partner is in a position of trust and over 18 then also no sex. If the guy is under 22 then it is usually believed that he didn't know she was underage. With the actual laws it is usually left for the parents to bring it up in court. The aim of the law is really to catch people who are really old from preying on people they can force into it. Usually if the guy and girl are similar ages, but the parents don't like it they will ask the guy to back off before doing anything more. Most people lose their virginities under 16, the average age 14 here, I think this is fine and the law should be changed. Really though I doubt it will change as once people get above the age limit they don't care anymore.

56. Posted by mj897 (Budding Member 2 posts) 9y

This is an outrage. I'm from the U.S. and I have many friends who live around the world and some in England. I don't want anything to happen to them if they were drunk (which sometimes leads to vulnerability). Who knows what could happen to them? The parties aren't even supervised! There are some very sick people out there who would do anything to get girls even if they're drunk. I think everyone should wait out until after marriage. Laws are to PROTECT us! They're not some kind of stupid rules that adults lay out to stop us from having fun. The legal sex age limit should to rasied in England! You're still in school at that age, would you really want all the responsiblities of raising a baby all the sudden? Why not wait out if you have your whole life ahead of you? The drinking age limit should also be raised. It's not some little matter that no one cares about, frankly it's the opposite! Alcohol can be very bad for you if you're still growing! It can affect the mind and the body!! The age limit in the U.S. is 21 because that's when most bodies are done developing and they really become adults. As you get older, you mature more, it's not all about having sex and partying. You start thinking about your life, future, ambitions, and maybe even marriage. That's when you really start life and move out! Yeah sex is a natural thing but people are too young when they think of doing it!! Losing your virginity or getting pissed (drunk) is not something you want to do when you're like 14!!! Listen to me people, and spread the message! Not everything is about having sex or drinking! It's stuff like this that ruins people's lives!! One thing leads to another, can you honestly tell me that life with sex and alcohol at such a young age would be better than abstinence until after marriage when you really know who you will spend your life with? People are doing these things because no one has ever told them or ever thought of the possiblity of other, better options! I don't know about you guysm but I personally don't want to see my friends dying from something like alcohol poisening or giving birth to an infant at the age of 14 or something then regretting it and ruining their lives

57. Posted by cde3879 (Full Member 142 posts) 9y

Quoting mj897

This is an outrage. I'm from the U.S. and I have many friends who live around the world and some in England. I don't want anything to happen to them if they were drunk (which sometimes leads to vulnerability). Who knows what could happen to them? The parties aren't even supervised! There are some very sick people out there who would do anything to get girls even if they're drunk. I think everyone should wait out until after marriage. Laws are to PROTECT us! They're not some kind of stupid rules that adults lay out to stop us from having fun. The legal sex age limit should to rasied in England! You're still in school at that age, would you really want all the responsiblities of raising a baby all the sudden? Why not wait out if you have your whole life ahead of you? The drinking age limit should also be raised. It's not some little matter that no one cares about, frankly it's the opposite! Alcohol can be very bad for you if you're still growing! It can affect the mind and the body!! The age limit in the U.S. is 21 because that's when most bodies are done developing and they really become adults. As you get older, you mature more, it's not all about having sex and partying. You start thinking about your life, future, ambitions, and maybe even marriage. That's when you really start life and move out! Yeah sex is a natural thing but people are too young when they think of doing it!! Losing your virginity or getting pissed (drunk) is not something you want to do when you're like 14!!! Listen to me people, and spread the message! Not everything is about having sex or drinking! It's stuff like this that ruins people's lives!! One thing leads to another, can you honestly tell me that life with sex and alcohol at such a young age would be better than abstinence until after marriage when you really know who you will spend your life with? People are doing these things because no one has ever told them or ever thought of the possiblity of other, better options! I don't know about you guysm but I personally don't want to see my friends dying from something like alcohol poisening or giving birth to an infant at the age of 14 or something then regretting it and ruining their lives

That's true but you can't dictate to someone how to live their lives. You can recommend, but chances are people will do what they want to anyway. The problem is the education and discipline in this country as a whole, where a teacher can no longer tell a pupil off for fear of being sued by big fat parents sat at home on their couch watching adverts telling them they can get money by suing people left right and centre. You didn't have this problem 20 years ago when if you did something bad in school the headmaster gave you a damn good beating!

58. Posted by Patlex (Budding Member 9 posts) 9y

mj897, I was surprised when I saw you are only 14 yrs old. You wrote a great text.

Even though I don’t agree with you.

You’re right: Drinking alcohol at the age of – let’s say – 14 may affect your physical and mental development, having sex may lead to unwanted pregnancy.

But laws and rules can not stop people from doing what they want to do. I think it’s better to teach how to use preventives and what happens if you don’t use them instead of simply forbidding having sex. Thus I don’t see any point in a so-called “legal sex age”. The only necessary thing is the protection of children/teens from adults.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_tee_pre_sha-health-teenage-pregnancy-share
This is quite impressive … not to say terrible!

I accept that some people want to wait until they are married, but personally I don’t care.

btw What is the penalty if you have sex or drink alcohol underage in the US?

I don’t know what is going on where you live. Can you explain why you are so worried?

In Switzerland, teens start drinking alcohol at the age of 13-15 – some of them drink too much, some of them do things they regret afterwards. But I think this is part of growing up. Make mistakes and learn.

Here you can buy beer and wine at the age of 16, any other alcoholic drinks at 18. I think this is okay. Nobody would ever think of a drinking age limit of 21.

One last thing:
If you don’t want to drink – don’t do it. No matter what other people might say.

59. Posted by Clarabell (Travel Guru 1696 posts) 9y

Quoting mj897

This is an outrage. I'm from the U.S. and I have many friends who live around the world and some in England. I don't want anything to happen to them if they were drunk (which sometimes leads to vulnerability). Who knows what could happen to them? The parties aren't even supervised! There are some very sick people out there who would do anything to get girls even if they're drunk. I think everyone should wait out until after marriage. Laws are to PROTECT us! They're not some kind of stupid rules that adults lay out to stop us from having fun. The legal sex age limit should to rasied in England! You're still in school at that age, would you really want all the responsiblities of raising a baby all the sudden? Why not wait out if you have your whole life ahead of you? The drinking age limit should also be raised. It's not some little matter that no one cares about, frankly it's the opposite! Alcohol can be very bad for you if you're still growing! It can affect the mind and the body!! The age limit in the U.S. is 21 because that's when most bodies are done developing and they really become adults. As you get older, you mature more, it's not all about having sex and partying. You start thinking about your life, future, ambitions, and maybe even marriage. That's when you really start life and move out! Yeah sex is a natural thing but people are too young when they think of doing it!! Losing your virginity or getting pissed (drunk) is not something you want to do when you're like 14!!! Listen to me people, and spread the message! Not everything is about having sex or drinking! It's stuff like this that ruins people's lives!! One thing leads to another, can you honestly tell me that life with sex and alcohol at such a young age would be better than abstinence until after marriage when you really know who you will spend your life with? People are doing these things because no one has ever told them or ever thought of the possiblity of other, better options! I don't know about you guysm but I personally don't want to see my friends dying from something like alcohol poisening or giving birth to an infant at the age of 14 or something then regretting it and ruining their lives

Do you really think nobody in the USA gets drunk and/or pregnant when they're in school? OK so the USA has a higher age of consent, and all that religious right wing "true love waits" stuff, but despite this, it still has a considerably higher teenage pregnancy rate than the UK.

Teenage pregancy happens more often to girls in lower socio-economic groups, girls from communities with less educational expectations and fewer career prospects. Often these are girls whose mothers/sisters/friends all have kids very young. It is a social issue, not a moral issue, and while it is a problem, I don't believe for a second that raising the age of consent from 16 would make a difference.

mj897, you shouldn't worry about your friends in the UK any more than the ones at home in the states, you make it sound like the UK is some terrible immoral hell-hole full of alcahol fuelled orgies and sleazy men preying on passed out young girls. Its not like that. (That leads us onto a whole new topical debate on young women and binge drinking....another thread?) If you are educated about safe sex, and more to the point, you are empowered and encouraged to have the self-esteem to believe you don't have to sleep with boys to be a strong young woman, or to be loved, liked etc, that's whats important. From all I've heard I've seen, teenagers in the states are under as much pressure from peers and the media etc to have sex, as those in the UK.

As for abstinence and waiting until after you are married until you have sex.... Pah...That's just religious. And if I did that I might end up a 40 year old virgin.

In the USA you can drive a car at 16. You can just as easily ruin lives through unsafe driving as unsafe sex. No, you can more easily do far more damage with a car. If a 16 year old is mature enough to have the responsibility of being behind a wheel, are they not capable of being in control of their sexuality?

Another age difference while we're here. The whole thing of being over 21 to drink alcahol is obviously crazy. How can you be old enough go to war and die for your country at 18, but after a long day risking your life for your country you can't have a cold beer? The most unfair thing I ever heard.

[ Edit: Edited on Jan 29, 2007, at 1:33 PM by Clarabell ]

60. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 9y

The legal age of consent in Northern Ireland (part of the UK) is 17 but can l ask WHO is going to police this law????????? Its impossible to police - obviously it can help get convictions on those immoral and sick beings who pray on young kids, but, bar this boys and girls are full of raging hormones, they want to experiment - they WILL experiment, and sex below the legal age of consent WILL happen. I think as Clara states (and put very well l must say) its all about sex education especially in those communities where higher teen pregancies are likely to occur. The government has cottoned on to this at long last but it will take a long time to get through to those who need the information.

Funnily l was listening to a radio report last week that stated young women were "embarrassed" to carry condoms on a night out for fear of friends thinking they were "easy" - still a long way to go in the education stakes l fear if this is the attitude of young women in 2007.

Clara - lm with you - if l were to wait on a marriage proposal l think l would likely die a virgin!