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11. Posted by TylerJames (Respected Member 333 posts) 10y

one thing i find a bit amusing is whenever you encounter a north american while travling you can take a guess where their from if you say to a canadian, "are you an american" most of the ones i've met almost seem to be offened. but if you ask an american, "are you canadian" i havent gotten much harsh disagreement or anger. i dont know why people seem to hate the american people so much it is really just the political leaders making the harsh and rash decisions that makes everyone tend to dislike or disapprove of americans. their 300 million people in the us the majority of the people are really down to earth friendly people.

so for the people who just pass off americans as a steortype i belive the for whatever the reason you dislike us is exactly the same thing that you would be doing to us, passing off judgment at first sight.

12. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1652 posts) 10y

Quoting TylerJames

one thing i find a bit amusing is whenever you encounter a north american while travling you can take a guess where their from if you say to a canadian, "are you an american" most of the ones i've met almost seem to be offened. but if you ask an american, "are you canadian" i havent gotten much harsh disagreement or anger. i dont know why people seem to hate the american people so much it is really just the political leaders making the harsh and rash decisions that makes everyone tend to dislike or disapprove of americans. their 300 million people in the us the majority of the people are really down to earth friendly people.

so for the people who just pass off americans as a steortype i belive the for whatever the reason you dislike us is exactly the same thing that you would be doing to us, passing off judgment at first sight.

;)

Technically, since Canada is in NORTH AMERICA they are Americans too! Canada has it's own identity problems within Canada. They couldn't decide to speak French or English so almost everything is in both languages. Newcomers to Canada from Asian and Islamic countries produce more babies than "home grown English or French origin" Canadians. In the next 40 years big sections of Canada may end up speaking Arabic and Chinese.

13. Posted by Canadiana (Inactive 10 posts) 10y

Quoting karazyal

Quoting TylerJames

one thing i find a bit amusing is whenever you encounter a north american while travling you can take a guess where their from if you say to a canadian, "are you an american" most of the ones i've met almost seem to be offened. but if you ask an american, "are you canadian" i havent gotten much harsh disagreement or anger. i dont know why people seem to hate the american people so much it is really just the political leaders making the harsh and rash decisions that makes everyone tend to dislike or disapprove of americans. their 300 million people in the us the majority of the people are really down to earth friendly people.

so for the people who just pass off americans as a steortype i belive the for whatever the reason you dislike us is exactly the same thing that you would be doing to us, passing off judgment at first sight.

;)

Technically, since Canada is in NORTH AMERICA they are Americans too! Canada has it's own identity problems within Canada. They couldn't decide to speak French or English so almost everything is in both languages. Newcomers to Canada from Asian and Islamic countries produce more babies than "home grown English or French origin" Canadians. In the next 40 years big sections of Canada may end up speaking Arabic and Chinese.

You see, it's that kind of attitude that offends us. We "couldn't decide whether to speak french or English" That is ridiculous thing to say. Just because we aren't a huge melting pot. What about the number of immigrants in the States who can't speak english at all? In Canada, thanks to our education system, both french and english-speaking Canadians are obliged to learn up to the grade 9 level in their second language of english or french. I wouldn't call that an "identity problem", at least, no more than in the United states, where it is at a far stronger level. Pisses me off when you guys take superior attitudes, or make assumptions about us.

14. Posted by RiverRuner (Budding Member 38 posts) 10y

At least French sounds nice...we're being so over run with mexicans, and that Spanish isnt all that attractive to lissten to. it would also be handy if US citizens were required to learn a second language like the rest of the world...so calm down Canadiana, we're not all like that...

15. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1652 posts) 10y

Quoting Canadiana

You see, it's that kind of attitude that offends us. We "couldn't decide whether to speak french or English" That is ridiculous thing to say. Just because we aren't a huge melting pot. What about the number of immigrants in the States who can't speak english at all? In Canada, thanks to our education system, both french and english-speaking Canadians are obliged to learn up to the grade 9 level in their second language of english or french. I wouldn't call that an "identity problem", at least, no more than in the United states, where it is at a far stronger level. Pisses me off when you guys take superior attitudes, or make assumptions about us.

;)

Well enjoy your French and English lessons while you can. Just wait around another 30 years when your children will have to learn Arabic or some Asian language. Your French and English Canadian original stock do not make enough babies to keep up with the minorities who simply out baby you!

Yeah, in the U.S. there is a chance that Spanish may take over but the "little mice" are roaring their objections! Our "illegal aliens" only commit the crimes that Americans are too lazy to do is a popular slogan!

[ Edit: Fixed quote ]

16. Posted by Trupioneer (Budding Member 35 posts) 10y

We obiviously have a greater respect and understanding for different cultures in Canada.

17. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

Quoting RiverRuner

And finally, Pot is legal in canada, which is one thing i can appreciate...

Sorry, it isn't legal at all. There was a Bill going through the Parliament in December when the Liberal Party was in power - but now that Harper & Friends are running the show they put a stop to that. Marijuana always was, and still is illegal.

As for the main topic, I think the relationship is getting a bit stretched these days. There are certainly great people on both sides of the border, but I don't think that means much when it comes down to it.

I believe there is somewhat of a jealousy of the United States in Canada. Perhaps not in the sense that Canada wants to be 'be' the United States, but Canada wants the attention the U.S. gets on the world stage.

This would explain the reaction when you call a Canadian an American. They want to be recognised for where they are from. Similar to calling a Ukranian a Russian... you are not going to be liked.

I think a lot of it comes down to Canada not being able to compete. We just don't have the population or money. Most television Canadians watch is from the U.S., most of the music comes from the U.S. We certainly import more culture than we export.

NAFTA is another can of worms entirely.. not to mention the proposed wall seperating the countries, the required passports/national I.D. cards in 2008, missile defence, etc.

Like I said the relationship is certainly being stretched thin... BUT now that we have good 'ol Stephen Harper we can maybe get into Dubya's good books...

(P.S. I certainly know a lot of great people that are "from" the United States, and I don't judge people based on where they are from. I am not "anti-United Statesian"... I just don't like what the United States is doing, and that has a lot to do with the people in that country. When a country claims to be a democracy the onus is placed on the peoples of that country.)

18. Posted by vickim (Full Member 125 posts) 10y

I found the first postings by Americans to be quite interesting when they state that the rivalry between Canadians and Americans to be in good fun. Canadians see no humour in Americans teasing us or implying they may be better. When a Canadian teases an American it may be expressed in a sarcastic and fun-loving tone but in most cases they mean what they say.

I cannot agree more with TylerJames posting that Canadians get offended when people mistake them for Americans. When Canadians travel abroad they make every effort not be mistaken for an American. They usually find absolutely no brothership or releif at all in meeting up with an American. Some of us are embarassed to admit we are neighbours and we may have some similarities. Actually, many would find more delight in meeting up with an Australian.

To the ignorant language comments; these comments are examples why we are so protective of our identity. First, there isn't a problem deciding whether to speak French or English. I speak English everyday without giving it much thought at all. I don't understand why would anyone from another country would care if we have more than one offical language? Second, the comment that my children may be required to speak an Arabic or Asian language one day is a stupid comment but if it came to that, why would I consider that upsetting? As I ride the Subway in Toronto everyday I am sometimes the only white person out of 50-100 people and I hear all sorts of languages that I don't understand. Also, I am not going to have more children just to keep the white population up and keep the immigrants out. That is such a stupid and ignorant argument. As a true Canadian I have no reason to feel threatened or offended by people.

I can honestly say, I would much rather have my children learn Arabic or Asian than to be mistaken for a American.

19. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

Quoting vickim

I would much rather have my children learn Arabic or Asian than to be mistaken for a American.

Quote of the week if ever there was one?

20. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Honestly, no one really wants to be classified as being from a country from which they are not. RiverRuner states we (in the US) are being "over-run" by Mexicans, which is not necessarily true. I hope she is not lumping all Spanish-speaking people into one catagory under the heading "Mexican". If so, I do believe the immigrants from Puerto Rico, Cuba, Central/South American countries and some Caribbean islands (not to mention Spain and Portugal) will be just as offended as a Canadian would for being classified as an American (or vise versa).

As a side note - stereo-typing any culture tends to lead to misinformation about that culture. Everyone does a bit of stereo-typing, but knowledge is power and leads to understanding rather than just blatant judgement. And to Trupioneer - no, I don't think Canada as a whole has any more respect and understanding for different cultures. What I do think is that the average American is just as accepting - but the media needs a good sound-bite and hauling Billy-Bob up in front of the camera to complain about immigrants fulfills the bill.

From my own personal experience, the Canadians I know poke fun at us (Americans) as equally as we poke fun at them (for being Canadian). They also realize that everyone is an individual and lumping people together as "such-and-such" is ludicrous.

Canadiana - Americans, in general, don't care if you speak French, German, Italian, English, Swedish or your own made-up language. It doesn't really matter to us. I have a feeling that your issues with us are much larger than just language and assumptions. As far as the "superior attitudes" are concerned - that's what happens when you've been considered the "leader of the free world" for as long as the US has - doesn't mean it's right, but it is a consequence of the times. If Canada wants to take the reins, in my opinion, be our guest - take them. Have fun. Hope you can sort things out better than our current administration. In the big picture, the average American has much larger issues on their plate than touting our superiority to Canadians, or any other nation. We just happen to live here - forgive us for not all "getting outa Dodge" and renouncing our evil ways.

On that note...

Quoting Brendan

I just don't like what the United States is doing, and that has a lot to do with the people in that country. When a country claims to be a democracy the onus is placed on the peoples of that country.

You are correct that the onus is placed on the people of the country. What is it that you would like us to do differently? Bring down the democracy? Institute anarchy? Impeach Bush? (That one ain't gonna happen this close to another presidential election.) The most that the law will allow is lobbying for change and voting out those who do not truly work for the common good. You're talking about politicians here - not saints nor even decent people. I don't mean to be a smart-ass, just curious what you think we, as the people of this country, should be doing instead.