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91. Posted by YvonneLiu (Budding Member 14 posts) 10y

Poverty seemed a problem when I was there. There seems a big gap between the rich and the poor. Perhaps as the country opens up, there will be an opportunity to build a middle class. But some would say that the middle class is the problem with North America, so who knows?[/quote]

yeah,what you have mentioned is exactly what we Chinese worried about now.the huge gap between the rich and the poor---maybe it's much more than you think there are---become the urgent problems that society can no longer shunt aside. poverty and injustice are the two things that need to be solved as soon as possible,but there is a long long way to go....
:) thank you ;)

92. Posted by Zoom (Full Member 131 posts) 10y

Quoting beerman

What makes me proud of my country is the diversity of people and the blend of cultures that, for the most part, co-exist peacefully. That there is still some middle ground left between extreme right and extreme left. That people can agree to disagree (though that is waning) without resorting to violence.

PS to Zoom: Before you tout Escape Artist too much, you might want to read this, from one of his detractors...it's an intersting read. Roger Gallo

Dear Beerman, interesting article on Mr. Gallo. I wasn't particularily touting Escape Artist in the sense that I just check out it's property listing from time to time. If one is to actually invest in international property the ONLY way to do it properly IMO is to go over to the city/country you're interested in and do it locally. There are a few outside agencies like "argentina homes" that have a very long time honest, straight up, rep that I would trust (even though the prices are gonna be higher than if you went totally local but it's also safer sometimes depending what country you're dealing with.) I was just giving Isadora a tip since the Real Estate market is cooling down in the US. She doesn't have to agree or be interested - just trying to be helpful and pass along info. I follow International real Estate closely to see which markets are up and down. here's an interesting article in the NYT on Americans moving to Paris - 17th Arrondissement (District) http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/realestate/23paris.html The 17th is kind an over looked area with slightly lower prices but yet very pleasant neighborhoods.

I have to run for now but I don't understand why it seems to bother you that I no longer have a desire to stay in America. You'd be surprised how many others there are just like me. It's like a divorce (even though I haven't been), at some point you realize the interests of your wife and your self no longer are on the same page (or in the same book). Well, the direction America has been going in since maybe the early 80's and my personal beliefs about how a country should behave to it's people (since it's OUR money they're using) have grown further and further apart. I've just found places that work better for me, that provide a much more pleasant life style. If America is your cup of tea that's fine. I really have no opinion on it since we may have TOTALLY different priorities about what we like about places. Really, there's no reason to take it so personally. I still have to come back later for Cupcakes comments i wanted to add to. Zoom

93. Posted by Jimz (Budding Member 34 posts) 10y

In the United States, I would say the relatively unfettered ability to honestly and sincerely debate significant issues in a public way toward the real objective of arriving at an appropriate National Consensus for the purpose of resolving contemporary problems in as inclusive a manner as possible while maintaining public order and safety. The system does not work perfectly. For example, at the moment, numerous public opinion polls demonstrate that public opinion on a variety of key issues impacting both foreign and domestic policy is at variance with leadership on the Federal level. However, that is forcing adjustments to be made, albeit slower than preferable. But, the flexibility of the system to accomodate change, over time, tempers the excesses of the powerful and provides hope for most.

ThotsNRamblins

94. Posted by mikeyBoab (Travel Guru 5077 posts) 10y

Quoting Jimz

In the United States, I would say the relatively unfettered ability to honestly and sincerely debate significant issues in a public way toward the real objective of arriving at an appropriate National Consensus for the purpose of resolving contemporary problems in as inclusive a manner as possible while maintaining public order and safety. The system does not work perfectly. For example, at the moment, numerous public opinion polls demonstrate that public opinion on a variety of key issues impacting both foreign and domestic policy is at variance with leadership on the Federal level. However, that is forcing adjustments to be made, albeit slower than preferable. But, the flexibility of the system to accomodate change, over time, tempers the excesses of the powerful and provides hope for most.

ThotsNRamblins

Jim when I grow up I want to talk like you.

95. Posted by beerman (Respected Member 1631 posts) 10y

Quoting Zoom

I have to run for now but I don't understand why it seems to bother you that I no longer have a desire to stay in America.

Actually Zoom, that doesn't bother me in the slightest. What bothered me was that many of your posts seemed to be denigrating America unfairly and insinuating that American culture is inferior to other cultures and cannot be fixed. Yes, the current state of politics is abhorrent, but it will change at some point if people will mandate change. We can all be better citizens of the world.

This is America, and one of the things that makes it a great country is that you are free to do as you wish.

96. Posted by LoX (First Time Poster 1 posts) 10y

Food, friendly peoples, one of the highest standards....and that we are far far away from the ******* Limeys! ;-)

97. Posted by YvonneLiu (Budding Member 14 posts) 10y

hi LOX,which country do you come from?

98. Posted by triggerj (Budding Member 15 posts) 10y

We invented the paper clip.

99. Posted by Zoom (Full Member 131 posts) 10y

JIMZ: In the United States, I would say the relatively unfettered ability to honestly and sincerely debate significant issues in a public way toward the real objective of arriving at an appropriate National Consensus for the purpose of resolving contemporary problems in as inclusive a manner as possible while maintaining public order and safety.

ZOOM; I just got such a kick out of this one that it put a smile on my face. My Dearest Jimz, "Relatively unfettered"? Relative to whom - North Korea? Most peoples from most countries throughout the world can sit around a cup of coffee and "debate significant issues in a public way, etc, etc" really means a lot of nothing. How does a group of truck drivers sitting around a table at Denny's 24 hour diner bitching about the Government over a barely warm cheeseburger translate to any kind of meaningful change on ANY level that makes a positive difference in their lives? Voting on paperless voting machines that are very easily hacked or "adjusted" to deliver the results that the powers that be wish to have? I hardly find that a valid point. And if you want to bring in the televised public ("so called") debates amongst candidates that have become so controlled in the last few decades that they really are more reflective of a comedy skit than what they claim to be. Anybody that's witnessed one or more knows exactly what I'm saying and how totally ineffective they have become.

JIMZ: The system does not work perfectly.

ZOOM: Of course, nothing does BUT what degree of inperfection the system is working at is of utmost importance. There's a GIGANTIC difference between , say 5% off track (which may be what Switzerland is working at) and 85% off track (which may be what ZIMBABWE is working at.) The degree makes all the difference in the world.

JIMZ: For example, at the moment, numerous public opinion polls demonstrate that public opinion on a variety of key issues impacting both foreign and domestic policy is at variance with leadership on the Federal level. However, that is forcing adjustments to be made, albeit slower than preferable.

ZOOM: Of course, again the speed of that slowness is the most important aspect so your statement is very vague and just making a point of a point. As far as adjustments being made I sure don't really see that happening. If you would like to get specific about certain topics that would be great.

JIMZ: But, the flexibility of the system to accomodate change, over time, tempers the excesses of the powerful and provides hope for most.

ZOOM: Well, all I'm gonna say about that is it was true when refering to the past but IMO, more and more these days it isn't holding true for a larger and larger group of people. IOW, it's basically quickly becoming just more rhetorical flotsam and jetsam being spoon feed to the masses by the true holders of all the power. Nothing new, it's happened to all of history's Empires, from the Roman to the British - we're just next in line......Zoom

100. Posted by Zoom (Full Member 131 posts) 10y

Dear Beerman, just wanted to get back to our topic for a second. A great question that was asked on C-Span (Washington Journal - call in program, politically neutral) a few weeks ago was "What makes a Country Great?". Now IMO this is really where everyone needs to start when thinking about their own country. I find the answer very simple. IMO, A "GREAT COUNTRY" is one that puts it's people first. It's pretty close to what makes a parent great. When Jackie Kennedy was asked what she felt was her biggest achievement she said something like raising her 2 children to be decent, caring human beings. She also added, "if one can't get that right not much of anything else really matters".

Well, sorry to say but I don't see the US Government caring about it's people much at all. (There's 1 to 5 % that are cared for big time. 40% of America's wealth is controlled by 1% of the populaton so that's the 1% I'm talking about.) Throw in some EX AND PRESENT POLITICIANS, celebrities, performers, sports figures, etc, etc and you'll have the group. I think 40 million Americans without Health Care Insurance shows a BIG lack of caring by a Government. Same with OUTSOURCING jobs to Latin America and Asia, Same with who ends up going to war and how unfair that is (it's not the elites, it's the low incomers that have very few choices in life - VERY unfair.) Vicims of the Levee break/Hurricaine in NEW ORLEANS probably put the cherry on the cake for me. That was a world wide shame and must NEVER be repeated ....Zoom

PS. What makes me proud of my country? These people - BOB DYLAN, BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, JOHN FOGERTY, JOHN MELLENCAMP, PEARL JAM (especially Eddie Vedder), SEAN PENN, DIXIE CHICKS, MICHAEL MOORE, ROBERT REDFORD + his SUNDANCE Festival/ Channel, JANE FONDA, BILL CLINTON, JIMMY CARTER, BILL MAHER, SENATOR JOE BIDEN, CONGRESSMAN JOHN MURTHA, JANN WENNER, DAVID LETTERMAN, OLIVER STONE, the late CHARLES BUKOWSKI, late HUNTER S. THOMPSON. The PERFECT beauty of the STATUE OF LIBERTY (Thank You France !!)

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