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41. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

I suggest that we all go on strike and simply not get out of bed for the day

[ Edit: Edited at Jun 8, 2006 3:56 AM by james ]

42. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

You would, i suggest we all take the day off and goto the beach and have a beach party

43. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

Yeah, I suppose it is possible that they are somewhat out of date. The book dates back to 99. Though in fairness, the countries that use motorbikes for mass transportation are probably a very long way off any standards that western countries might have.

They did say they took into account how many people each transport was carrying on average though. Hence, train travel comes off far worse than it would if the trains were actually full. And conversely passenger air travel gets off lightly. Private planes, dirt bikes, off-road vehicles, lawnmowers, jetskis and a plethora of similar things are absolutely slammed though ;)

Cars still make far more sense for me personally than bikes. I probably have someone with me in the car 70% of the times I use it, so there is no way a motorbike would be better. Not to mention the vast difference in safety.

Anyway, the book is a pretty good read if you are interested in such things. It helps to realise which things are actually worth worrying about and which are relatively small problems.

44. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

3rd world countries are running around on Honda Club 50's or similar and these usually have half the contents of their house, the family and the dog on the handle bars. Doing all this and still achieving about 120mpg. Don't see how the car can compete with that, unless you have a smart car (tiny 2 seater citycar).

I'd be interested in how shipping got on, as these are the most efficient internal combustion engines around.

p.s. as for safety, well life is a cotton bud in western society today, and the freedom of a motorbike more than makes up for the possibility of some twat in a moving pothole (car) who can't see or drive plough into you. My idea for the world ...... BAN CARS , make those who want to use them get the bus or walk

[ Edit: Edited at Jun 8, 2006 4:22 AM by Jase007 ]

45. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

Surely you don't advocate that we all start getting around on old motorcycles? Have you ever been to Manila? I think it presents a pretty clear case against motorcycles for mass transport.

I don't think shipping was mentioned in the book, but I have read somewhere else that they are as bad or worse than planes. In large part due to the extra facilities needed for passengers. And I think the fact that they take a lot longer to get somewhere doesn't help :?

My personal leanings are towards hybrid cars at the moment. Though I don't know how well LPG compares from a pollution point of view. And, when possible, I ride a bike (the human powered type ;)).

46. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 10y

Quoting Jase007

the freedom of a motorbike more than makes up for the possibility of some twat in a moving pothole (car) who can't see or drive plough into you.

As in the 'freedom' to break the road rules? It seems almost everytime I see a motorbike on the road they are either speeding, swerving lanes, cutting in between moving traffic or otherwise endangering their lives and those of people around them.

According to our local road authority Vicroads, "On Melbourne’s arterial roads, riders are 30 times more likely than car drivers to be involved in serious casualty or fatal crashes"

Ok, now it's time for a break from this ...

[ Edit: Edited at Jun 8, 2006 4:45 AM by Peter ]

47. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

Quoting Peter

According to our local road authority Vicroads, "On Melbourne’s arterial roads, riders are 30 times more likely than car drivers to be involved in serious casualty or fatal crashes"

Ok, now it's time for a break from this ...

according to the ministry of transport in the uk, 90% of accidents involving motorbikes and cars in the uk are the result of driver error on the part of the car driver.

Yet motorcyclists who hold a car liscence are 75% less likely to be involved in any accident.

48. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

I'd be curious to know if where people lived influenced their opinion about air travel. When you're a train or bus ride away from dozens of countries, versus living in a country where the vast majority of the poulation lives within an hour of the border to the only other country around, versus a country that's an island... you must feel differently about your ability, and the facility, to travel.

49. Posted by csfreixo (Full Member 83 posts) 10y

James, definitely I agree with the day off!
And if we all are concerned about the environment, we should care about the two of the most negative environmental aspects of the humanity: extreme poverty (mainly around big cities) and excessive goods consumption. They do pollute!
I am really late to catch my plane! bye!

50. Posted by RiverRuner (Budding Member 38 posts) 10y

Im definitly taking the day off and going to the beach for a beach party. I dont know about those hybrid vehicles. I heard in a discussion not long ago (dont know anything about this topic, and this could be way off) that when a hybrid vehicle is involved in an accident, it is like a ime bomb waiting to explode and is very dangerous for emergency workers to approach. I am almost inclined to say that they need a couple more years of work before i would invest.

I agree with the sentiment that what we can personally do to make the greatest impact on protecting the environment is be concerned about our personal daily actions, as well as not being afraid to clean up after others. Recycle, pick up after yourself, by organic, local food products, go on foot or bycicle. Im living in New Orleans having moved from the Columbia River Gorge in Washington, and the filth her is shocking! Recycling is a forign word, so here on our project i have made it point to institute it. But the one thing i have been able to do that isn't practical in the Gorge, is walk to do my shopping and to get to places like the doctor's office and the movie theatre. Take responsibility for yourself wherever you are, what more can you do?

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