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51. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Beach parties aside, it's pissing down rain and I have a 7:30am meeting. Should go back to bed...

52. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

Quoting james

Beach parties aside, it's pissing down rain and I have a 7:30am meeting. Should go back to bed...

Ha ha, on your B'Day too. have a good one.
Don't forget to use the Hummer on the way to the meeting ;)

53. Posted by ikey (Full Member 172 posts) 10y

Hey Peter
Thanks for bringing to my attention the Greenfleet website. What a fantastic idea!
I'll be looking into it over the weekend and as long as it's all above board, will definitely be signing up. Cheers
PS Haven't had a good look at it yet, but it's definitely a 'not for profit' isn't it?

54. Posted by Peter (Admin 5813 posts) 10y

Quoting ikey

PS Haven't had a good look at it yet, but it's definitely a 'not for profit' isn't it?

Yep, definitely.

55. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Quoting Jase007

Quoting james

Beach parties aside, it's pissing down rain and I have a 7:30am meeting. Should go back to bed...

Ha ha, on your B'Day too. have a good one.
Don't forget to use the Hummer on the way to the meeting ;)

I caught the train which is what I do 5 days per week.

I actually rarely use my car now; just for grocery shopping and stuff on weekends.

I've been catching the train to work for about a year now, and I thought it would really suck. But as badly as it does suck, it beats the hell out of sitting in traffic.

56. Posted by snatterand (Travel Guru 454 posts) 10y

Peter and Jase, you seem to know everything about statistics! Where do you get all that stuff from? And do you check out more than one resource before quoting the figures?

And I really agree with James: it takes me roughly 50 minutes to drive to work, whereas the train is 1 hour + transportation to and from the station. That's half an hour extra one way, 5 hours extra per week for commuting. But my god it's worth it so much! On the train I can read, sleep, eat or do whatever I feel like, I don't have to get angry with traffic, AND I don't have to feel bad about climate issues. I'm actually gonna give up my car totally (it's a company car) in the end of this month.

//Susanna

57. Posted by majito (Respected Member 442 posts) 10y

I have not one ounce of guilt or remorse for all of the hundreds of thousands of kilometers I have travelled in this world. Nor I'm sure do all of thousands of other intellectually gifted inhabitants of this planet. Are you a self proclaimed gifted inhabitant Niels, or are you really an active environmentalist with a genuine axe to grind?

I'm assuming you're Dutch. If so you'll be well aware that you live in one of the most densely populated countries in the world. The Dutch have a history of being great travellers and explorers that continues to this day largely because of overcrowding, and to lesser extent your climate. Overcrowding and climate; add famine and poor economic conditions to these and you have four conditions that force people to move for the better of themselves or their families; In the case of the Phillipines people leave that country to work overseas and send money home to their families; sometimes for years on end. In fact the Phillipines biggest export is offshore workers: 13 billion US worth of money is sent back from friends and families working abroad every year. Selfish for travelling? Hardly.

If you think any of these reasons are selfish, and keep in mind that aircraft worldwide are packed with people travelling to and from to engage in commerce of some sort, then you are misguided, misinformed, and should remove your intellectual badge. Even holidays: if millions of people didn't holiday every year to rest and recuperate they would turn into stressed out heart attack victims on their own doorsteps. And what of the destination? Where would Greece be without travellers? Or Spain, or Portugal, or Egypt, and so it goes on. I'll tell you what they would be: they would be topics of conversation for dull intellectuals theorising over what great nations they use to be two thousand years ago in the great days of commerce and - whoops, here it comes - commerce and trade with other countries. Damn! There it is again - TRAVEL, even 2000 years ago.

58. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

Just a quick note on commuting, Susanna and james are lucky that their train journeys are pleasant.
I used to walk to work every day (about 2 miles each way), but when i changes jobs this wasn't a real option.
I tried the bus (£3 per day, 30 mins) and the train (£4.50 per day, 25 mins) then i took the motorbike (£1.50 per day, 10 mins), so econonomicly for me and convenience the bike won out, I do however walk most places (my car has only done less than 200 miles in the last year) or take public transport if going into the city.
But the people who work in the city here have it shite. The trains, buses and tubes are very overcrowded, and now summer is here they are generally not air conditioned either. This is one reason some would rather sit in a air conditioned car with their own music than the 'cattle class' of the public transport commuter.
My suggestion would be: Improve the public transport, Ban all school runs (about 30% of londons peaktime traffic), and encourage people to use bikes (both push and motor) or walk.

Oh Susanna, the stats? generally from the departments accociated. The ones on the cost of travel to work though are straight out of my wallet ;)

59. Posted by snatterand (Travel Guru 454 posts) 10y

Yes, public transport has to be improved in most places. Though someone has to ask for it to! No money will be spent on better/faster/more trains/busses if the government (in whatever country we are talking about) doesn't see the need for it.

majito, I think you missunderstood what this discussion is about. We're not talking about Phillipines people that go abroad in order to provide their family with money to survive. And I don't think anyone here wants to advocate against vaccation and travelling in general. Everyone needs to rest. But there are different ways to do it and if you have just two weeks off work, maybe you should consider the tourist destinations close to you rather than try to fit in a whole continent on the other side of the world... In Ecuador I met a man from New York who had two days (!) off work, and flew down to Quito "just to see what South America is all about"... That is just not a cool!!
You are right that humanity have been travelling for thousands of years - it's just that the way we do it today isn't sustainable.

//Susanna

60. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

I'll be completely honest here. When I'm planning a holiday, I give absolutely no thought to how my mode of transport and my destination affect the environment whatsoever.

All I think about is location, price, and timeframe. It's as simple as that.