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Anyone else bothered by the current little war??

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11. Posted by Purdy (Travel Guru 3546 posts) 10y

No matter how fed up we are of hearing about this type of news coverage surely the main issue is that people are dying and that sort of thing should never be the norm and never cease to shock?

I know back when Northern Ireland was at the height of its problems people around the world probably became slightly desensitised to the whole situation, but for those living and breathing the situation its different.

12. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Quoting s_hoot

The only thing I keep saying over and over again is that that whole part of the world, the middle east, needs to get their Shit together and join the rest of the freakin world!

Taken straight from the horse's mouth:

Bush curses Hezbollah attacks

13. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 10y

HAHAHAH! T! Last night the headline on CNN was "The sh*t heard round the world"....don't know why I thought that was so funny, but I couldn't stop laughing...:)

14. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 10y

Quoting Purdy

No matter how fed up we are of hearing about this type of news coverage surely the main issue is that people are dying and that sort of thing should never be the norm and never cease to shock?

This is being discussed because it is on CNN every hour and we have visual proof of people dying. There are wars and conflicts going on almost continuously. People are still dying in Darfur Sudan, Chechnya, Democratic Rep. of the Cong, Zimbabwe, etc. They just does not have cameras recording the fighting in other locations.

Humans just cannot seem to live in peace for long w/o resorting to violence. Sad state of affairs, but that is human history.

15. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

I agree with Mike... As long as there is human nature, there will be conflict. If it isn't religion, it's territory. If it's not territory, then it's food. If it's not food, then it is something else. I don't mean to sound glib - these are serious issues and serious times. But, Mike is also correct in that we see what makes news. Israel is important to the US and several other governing nations. Areas, such as Darfur (or any other African nation), do not have the same impact on everyone's economies. Global awareness goes hand in hand with the conflicts causing the most global disruption.

In all honesty, the US does not want, nor need, to be involved in this conflict. Israel can take care of itself, and if they do request assistance, it will be in the form of money and/or arms. "W" has his hands full with Afganistan and Iraq. But, one of the largest lobbying groups in Washington is the Jewish Defense League. As much as I may dislike the man and his politics, I don't think he's looking forward to a knock on the door by the JDL.

We can discuss this, and all the other on-going conflicts, until hell freezes over. All we really can do is sit by and watch the events unfold as they will.

16. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 10y

Isadora,
All forums, not just TP, can rant and pontipicateall they want and it will not change a thing. Almost all conflicts are only going to be swayed by force of arms, not comdemnation by other countries. The US or Britain can publicly chastize North Korea, Iran, Sudan, Zimbabwe, etc. and nothing will change.

I will let that famous later day prophet; Rodney King, have the last word on this present conflict. "Can't... can't we all just get along?"

17. Posted by aliyoung99 (Budding Member 56 posts) 10y

I cannot believe that the international community has sat back and watched this conflict deepen. While i understand that the Jewish community has a lot of say in America, this should not mean "World Policeman" Bush does nothing. Both sides are to blame for this conflict but again, the naked agression by Israel will not help. If anything it helps stoke the Anti Western feelings held by many Arabs and used by Preachers to continue this bloody Jihad against the western world. Maybe we need to look at ourselves and ask whether our form of democracy is suitable to areas such as the middle East. Areas where religious sectarianism runs deep and tribal divisions still exist. I, for one, wish the UK never became involved in this new "crusade" against Islam, and i desperately wish for our troops to return home from Iraq and Afghanistan, but unfortunately, i can see them being dragged into another, more deadly conflict. The one in Lebanon.

18. Posted by Belize Me (Full Member 137 posts) 10y

Quoting aliyoung99

I cannot believe that the international community has sat back and watched this conflict deepen. While i understand that the Jewish community has a lot of say in America, this should not mean "World Policeman" Bush does nothing.

What do you think he should do? It seems to me, he is always 'damned if he does and damned if he doesn't'.

19. Posted by aliyoung99 (Budding Member 56 posts) 10y

i certainly dont believe he should do nothing. Being British i have a deep mistrust of George Bush. The Israeli's must be told that this level of indiscriminate bombing must stop. The destruction of non military targets is forbidden under international law and if this is found to be the case then the UN must punish Israel. While both sides continue in this manner more and more lives will be lost. I do suppose that the international community seems more likely to act if a vast oil reserve is at stake and it is not in the lebanon.

20. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting aliyoung99

Being British i have a deep mistrust of George Bush.

The line is quite long on this one - in and outside of the US.

The Israeli's must be told that this level of indiscriminate bombing must stop. The destruction of non military targets is forbidden under international law and if this is found to be the case then the UN must punish Israel.

I don't believe that either side is going to consider their bombing strategies as indiscriminate. And, in reality, who is going to bring either country to task for their actions? Both are going to claim they have inteliigence that shows particular targets where "housing" militants. The UN members are going to threaten with sanctions and not much more at this time. Are you sugessting that the US send troops to Lebanon? Is the UK willing to commit troops? (They are serious questions.)

While both sides continue in this manner more and more lives will be lost. I do suppose that the international community seems more likely to act if a vast oil reserve is at stake and it is not in the lebanon.

Nor is it in Israel unless you are taking olive oil into consideration also. But, lest we forget, Syria and Iran also are vying to be major players in this conflict. The basic idea is to destablize the Middle East, and the two soldiers being held hostage was just adequate enough of a reason to begin the assaults.