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31. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 8y

If your government was responsible for the deaths of 80,000 people would you want to know...

Am I the only one with some reservations about the entire event? As far as I am concerned everything I hear on CNN, BBC, CBC, FOX, ecetera is hearsay. It seems most people are taking it all as fact. That 20 odd "terrorists" were thwarted by london's finest. They managed to stop "the next 9/11".

Looking at the big picture what did this allow? It took the spot light even further off Iraq. People forgot about Lebanon for the most part, and everyone is rallied behind their governments once again.

Fear is the ultimate tool of leadership. The only way for leadership to survive is for the followers to believe they need that leadership. In a time of non-believers, evil doers, anarchists, terrorists, liberals, vegetarians it is becoming more and more difficult for leadership to rally support. As our countries become more diverse and multi-cultural it becomes more difficult for our democratic governments to make a strong showing in other parts of the world.

So what is the one way around that? An enemy. If the country in question has an enemy, the people of that country - regardless of origin will (for the most part) rally behind the country. With all of the support they need they can make sweeping legislation to take away freedoms in the name of security. It has happened countless times through-out history, and it comes once again.

I don't understand when a person says "I would rather lose some freedoms to gain some security". You are losing the very thing that your supposed governemt is fighting for.

32. Posted by Q' (Moderator 1987 posts) 8y

Let's all stay calm shall we ?

I've said this before. Your job in life isn't to achieve perfection. It's simply to survive. Because if you don't survive you can never achieve perfection.

33. Posted by Lorcan (Budding Member 59 posts) 8y

Well for me its like this: security needs to be logical (Also, with big corportions running the world, then laptops will be allowed soon, until some figures a way of using that the hack into a airplane guidance system, but anyway) airlines need to provide LOTS of liquid ofr customers, even the no frills one because airplanes are very dry and when you're thirsty its because you are already dehydrated, not getting there.
But mind you, at the end of the day, if there is a successful attempt at blowing up the plane with you on it - im going to be blunt here - you will, most likely, die and once dead you cant really complain can you. WE all gotta go sometime. But, of course i would rather it was not in a terrorist attack, but its certainly more interesting than 'he choked onthe christmas turkey'...

34. Posted by AlexT (Respected Member 245 posts) 8y

I like others see this as nothing more than the typical knee-jerk reaction. In reality it does very little to improve safety in my opinion because as with anything else there are always ways around this increased security and they will be found. It seems that the only thing that any permanent ban on hand luggage will do is cause alot of inconvenience, particularly to the airlines and to all the businesses that are based in the airport. I mean seriously, you cannot tell me that banning people from bringing on board a book which they have bought after going through passport control is going to be a security threat. Are the government and airport authorities going to compensate the shop owners who are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in rent but cannot sell anything.

Consider the budget airlines flying longhaul who provide a completely no frills flight where meals, drinks and so on costa small fortune. Perhaps passengers are provided with a small bottle of water on embarkation but nothing more. No food. No drink. No entertainment. These businesses will suffer unless passengers are provided with something to sustain them physically and mentally for the length of their flight. The end result will be more overheads for the airlines and this must be passed on to the consumers. This coupled with the fuel surcharges from to record oil prices will make air travel unaffordable to the average person.

In the end, I think the hand luggage ban is unsustainable and completely impractical and will not improve security all that much. Perhaps exercising some common sense as regards what people can and cannot bring on boards a plane would be a more equitable solution. I was always left bemused that I could get on a plane with a can of deodorant and a lighter without any problems at all. Surely this is a bigger threat than a bottle of Evian and a copy of th Da Vinci Code.

So, while there is definately a need for a review of security, a hand luggage ban is not the solution. I mean there are so many obvious flaws with these changes and the subsequent chaos that has been caused has done little to increase security and resulted in alot of unhappy iritated travellers. I could go on for longer but I will stop for now...

35. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 8y

Quoting Q_

Your job in life isn't to achieve perfection. It's simply to survive. Because if you don't survive you can never achieve perfection.

Perfection is an impossiblity. (Also I think we are quite a ways past the "survival" era of our species.) Is the calm down thing aimed at me? :(

36. Posted by sunraybret (Full Member 27 posts) 8y

Last year I flew into Bali, Indonesia a week after the second bombing. A lot of my friends said I was mad as the area was too dangerous. Whereas in fact security was so heightened, I have never felt safer. On the day I left I read that terriorists had been arrested in Java, so effectivly the raised security had just pushed them to a softer target. After 9/11 you would think the bolt the door afterwards concept would have taught them something. Tourism rather than terrorism took a nose dive, I think that was probably a desired effect for those who devised the plot. The USA took a double hit. I can just see this move by England forcing honest business travellers to aviod the UK and use one of the other European hubs. It is pretty pointless flying to a meeting and having all your important confidential laptop data at the mercy of baggage handlers. If they want to stop people carrying on potentially dangerous goods, they should fit locking overhead bins for hand luggage that can only be opened before takeoff and after landing and security bag & strap any bags taken on board, which must be loaded in the bins by cabin staff. This would cost the airlines more but not as much as losing all their business travellers. I for one will not be flying into London while this exists, as a photographer it is not much good if the airlines loose my cameras when I am on a tight timeline.

37. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8868 posts) 8y

Just a note to let everyone know.
As of this morning, passangers will be allowed to take one small piece of hand luggage on flights.
The size is limited to bag size
and containing:

bag contents

38. Posted by summer910 (Respected Member 1342 posts) 8y

Quoting Jase007

Just a note to let everyone know.
As of this morning, passangers will be allowed to take one small piece of hand luggage on flights.
The size is limited to bag size
and containing:

bag contents

Well, it's good to know that they've eased up the restrictions, but why are books still on the ban list?

39. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4428 posts) 8y

I'm pretty certain that the "bag contents" link goes to the list of items allowed until the restrictions are lifted on Heathrow and Gatwick as well (which is tomorrow (Tuesday)). At other Brittish airports, and on those two as of tomorrow, pretty much everything which isn't a liquid will be allowed again, including books, electronics e.a.

40. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8868 posts) 8y

Quoting Sander

I'm pretty certain that the "bag contents" link goes to the list of items allowed until the restrictions are lifted on Heathrow and Gatwick as well (which is tomorrow (Tuesday)). At other Brittish airports, and on those two as of tomorrow, pretty much everything which isn't a liquid will be allowed again, including books, electronics e.a.

The link is to what will be allowed.
Restrictions will still be in place for certain items, these are also listed.