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51. Posted by Q' (Moderator, 1987 posts) 20 Aug '06 00:30

Passengers refuse to allow holiday jet to take off until two Asian men are thrown off plane

So besides getting rid of your liquids, be sure to be clean shaven, get a good hair cut, and forget about the leather jackets for your next flight ! Probably shouldn't have a hangover from the previous nights drinking either.

52. Posted by gloworm (Budding Member, 3 posts) 20 Aug '06 19:31

Just a few thoughts:
I know increased security is a hassle. But what price do you put on your safety, indeed your life? I'm happy to trade off inconvenience for an increased feeling of safety. These lunatic terrorists don't even need to use explosives - they could simply commandeer an aircraft and crash it.
And sure, I understand that if we completely change our systems of travel security then it could be said we are giving in to the terrorists - that they've won. But I want to feel as safe as possible.
Happy travels!

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55. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive, 1447 posts) 21 Aug '06 02:58

I've finally worked out why the Dead Kennedys called their album
'Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death'.

56. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru, 8868 posts) 23 Aug '06 08:37

As the restriction slowly ebb down to pre-alert levels, the old question is still hanging around:

Security at what price?
We all want to fly in the secure belief that everything that can be done has been done to ensure our flight is safe. However, we also want cheap travel. The argument getting battered between the airlines, airports, and the goverment in the UK at the moment is - who is going to pay for the added security.
The airlines say it shouldn't be them as they pay landing fees to the airports, the airports are saying it shouldn't be them, as it's the goverment who is telling them how they should man their security within the airports so they won't pay for it. the goverment won't as they say it's not the tax payers responsibility (a first for everything the goverment not wanting to spend out tax pounds).

Is this the start of the end for the cheap flights?

57. Posted by dwalker66 (Full Member, 210 posts) 26 Aug '06 02:38

having been and posted on the security issues in Europe I am about to fly to india this evening then onto thailand on Wednesday, back through Oman and bahrain, so it will be really interesting to campare!

I also notice that I tried to get J class ticket on the flight to India 3 months ago to be told - it was full. Oh dear work paid F class, but now see that the flight is wide open! Are people cancelling flights due to the current alarms?

Anyone cancelled a trip?

(NB, most flights to India on EK are 70% full of passengers that have flown in from europe on connecting flights)

I noticed my flight the other day from gatwick to dubai on EK was empty! This is busy time too!

58. Posted by Zoom (Full Member, 131 posts) 26 Aug '06 13:55

Quoting gloworm

Just a few thoughts:
I know increased security is a hassle. But what price do you put on your safety, indeed your life? I'm happy to trade off inconvenience for an increased feeling of safety. These lunatic terrorists don't even need to use explosives - they could simply commandeer an aircraft and crash it.
And sure, I understand that if we completely change our systems of travel security then it could be said we are giving in to the terrorists - that they've won. But I want to feel as safe as possible.
Happy travels!

glowworm, if you want to FEEL as safe as possible do this. Get some Blue Valium, Mandrix (sp?) (in the UK ) or Quaaludes (in the US) take a few, have a few Tequila Sunrises and you will FEEL no pain, no fear, no nothing (this is no joke, you won't worry about a thing) In the mean time, until the do nothing Governments involved (USA for example) get some SMART security going things are going to remain very inconvinient and STUPID. They don't have time to get airport security together, they just know how to plan more wars and piss off more Arabs and Muslims. Through stupidity, George Bush and Tony Blair have turned Bin Laden into a Giant Super Star in certain parts of the world. BTW Glowworm, how are the terrorists going to Commandeer an aircraft these days? With what, their combs? #1 The cockpit doors are impossible to get into and #2 Passengers now Jump on trouble makers, do what ever it takes to stop what ever they were doing, and make sure nothing happens (if the dude gets roughed up a bit so be it - that's the way things are now, for better or for worse). Even the 4th plane on 9/11 was taken over by the passengers (a little too late but it did not achieve it's goal.) Same with Richard Reid the Shoe bomber. 9/11 only worked because they had the element of surprise, they no longer have that, we have lost our terrorist virginity, all our eyes are open watching for strange behaviour. It may happen a new way, a very clever sneaky way someday but taking over planes like 9/11 won't happen again. Go get a prescription please, use some common sense, and stop worrying - this hysterical reaction helps NO ONE. And don't assume ANY security is ACTUAL REAL security cause it's not - it's mainly just a big show to make it look like somethings happening - don't be fooled please. Always reacting to something instead of being proactive is rediculous. Security has to be ONE STEP AHEAD, not 2 STEPS BEHIND. Have to out smart the bad guys, that's how it's done. Zoom'' Fighting the "War Against Fairy Tales"

59. Posted by gloworm (Budding Member, 3 posts) 26 Aug '06 14:39

Thankyou, Zoom, I concur with everything you've said. Seriously. My imaginary friend also agrees.

60. Posted by Sander (Moderator, 4276 posts) 26 Aug '06 15:20

Although Zoom doesn't seem to have the best luck bringing across his point effectively and rationally (presumably because he cares a lot), he does have a point somewhere. A lot of the changes at airports are purely for show. It can be logically shown that they don't increase security in any effective way, and are there only for the effect they have in making the general populace (falsely) feel secure. Leading security experts call it "security theater".

(And if that essay makes sense, here's more from the same guy on What the Terrorists Want, and how we should be reacting.)