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31. Posted by tzindaro (Budding Member 11 posts) 9y

I would never consider marrying someone for the reasons you suggest, and I certainly would not ever think of getting married for the rest of my life. The average length of a relationship is about 4.5 years. Some may last longer, and some less, but of the people I know of my generation, that is about the average. More than 50% of first marriages end in divorce. I knew one woman who was on her fourth husband before she was 30. To expect a relationship to last a lifetime is to ignore the statistical odds in favor of the Hollywood fantasy of true love. I want a long succession of good healthy relationships as I grow and change over the course of a lifetime, not one permanent one with whoever I happen to fall in love with first. And a legal marriage is for immigration purposes only. There is no other reason for it. If I was actually in love with someone, we would not need any contract sanctioned by the state to validate it. A legal contract negates the whole relationship by confering the power to drag the cops into the bedroom to enforce it. Any couple who need a legal contract and state recognition to feel secure in their personal relationship, need to re-think the concept. I have no interest in marriage except for getting a passport, and that is not going to change.

32. Posted by aharrold45 (Travel Guru 1281 posts) 9y

It doesn't always end like that, maybe in Hollywood it does but if you pick the right person and don't jump straight in the deep end like Britney Spears etc usually do, well it can last forever. My mother and father have been happily married for over 35 years (no chance of them ever breaking up) and my mother was engaged at 15 to him, my grandparents over 50 years on one side and 35 years+17 years (both until one was deceased), all of my uncles and aunties (7 of each)have been happily married for at least 15 years, but some as much as 40 years. Stay committed and devoted to one person and it has got a much better chance of lasting the distance, especially if you are not very youn (18-25) when you get married, because then some people can at least use their brain and make civilized decisions for themselves, assuming they have a working brain which half of Hollywood doesn't because they spend half their life shooting up on Cocaine or other drugs.

The woman who was on her 4th wedding before she was 30, was probably from the same family as the 26 year old that was on Judge Judy who was a grand mother because she had her daughter when she was 13 and her daughter had a child when she was 13. People who are that thick that they would make decisions like that when they did not get raped, well that's the type of moron you are referring to. Maybe she also fits the category of the black sl**s that go on Maury Povich having 7 children with 7 different men, she couldn't keep her legs shut and half of the children she doesn't even know the father of because she slept around that much on her boyfriends. You get some like that, but if you really want to find true love and not just someone to get citizenship or just for sex etc, your chances would be far greater. The reason divorce rates are so high in the US is because of people like Britney Spears, who instead of taking vowels seriously, goes to like the drive through wedding chapels in Vegas and does it in a real hurry without treating those vowels as meaning anything. Also people doing things like you are hoping to do, but also because of the majority of the idiots who are role models in Hollywood. Also people on the sporting fields end up being divorced within a couple of years, because the husband or wife is away so long during the year that they lose all physical and emotional contact for long periods plus a lot of the males sports people go sleeping around on their wife and then the wife gets money hungry and gets a divorce for a large pay out. If you stay faithful, loving and caring to the one person (or you immediate family), well you have got a far greater chance of it lasting. I bet if they did a survey in America on all the women and all the men, well over 50% of all the adults would admit that at some time in the past they had slept around on their boyfriend/husband or girlfriend/wife.

One thought you may want to consider with your quest, is looking in to Latvia, because they are part of the EU and the women there are absolutely drop dead gorgeous before they turn 35 and then they turn very very ugly (uglier than the majority of US Woman). From what I have read, Russian women and any former soviet union women are meant to be perfect type of women and they used to all want to get out of the country. I'm not sure if Latvian women or Estonian woman (also gorgeous) still want to leave urgently since they aren't part of Russia anymore.

I've got Australian and UK citizenship (from my mother being born in the UK) and a passport. Sure it is handy when travelling because you don't need visas in some places an Australian passport does, but I would drop the Australian citizenship tomorrow to get US citizenship if the opportunity came along, where I found true love of an American woman. I believe that love should last forever, and not end in divorce after a couple of years. Why is it that almost every 60+ year old you see is married happily and has been for many decades or if they aren't married they were happily married until the other partner died? If it was possible then, why shouldn't it be possible now?

It should be like the old days where those vowels meant something and were not just a joke like they are to people in Hollywood and America or Americanized countries such as Australia. I think i have been brought up in a good way seeing what makes a relationship last with my parents and all my other family. I think if I ever get married mine will last until the day I die, because I know the way to make it last, and I am mature enough and smart enough to make the decision based upon what I would have seen in front of my eyes for well over 12 months before getting married.

Goodluck with your quest, but EU citizenship is not all it is cranked up to be, although it is handy.

[ Edit: Edited at Nov 11, 2006 2:37 PM by aharrold45 ]

33. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 9y

Here in Sydney, there is a Mufti who represents all muslims within Australia. Time after time, he makes statements that get him into trouble with the broader Australian community; his latest comment being that women who are uncovered and get raped are like meat who get eaten by cats. The problem is with the meat (woman), not the cat (man).

"If you take uncovered meat and put it on the street, on the pavement, in a garden, in a park, or in the backyard, without a cover and the cats eat it, then whose fault will it be, the cats, or the uncovered meat’s? The uncovered meat is the disaster. If the meat was covered the cats wouldn’t roam around it. If the meat is inside the fridge, they won’t get it."

"If the woman is in her boudoir, in her house and if she’s wearing the veil and if she shows modesty, disasters don’t happen."

Then he had a go at the Jews and the Christians...

"Those atheists, people of the book (Christians and Jews), where will they end up? In Surfers Paradise? On the Gold Coast? Where will they end up? In hell and not part-time, for eternity. They are the worst in God’s creation."

So I ask, should Australia (or any other country) open it's doors up to everyone?

By the way, this bloke has been here for 20 years but can't speak English. But don't put this down to a lack of intelligence, he memorised the Koran when he was 10 years old.

To the person whinging about not getting citizenship to the EU, I say tough luck mate. To put it quite simply, citizenship is not a right but a privilege.

34. Posted by coldwarspy (Travel Guru 1108 posts) 9y

hmm, Im not considering marriage at all. Actually looking for citizenship through means of ancestors - my Grandfather was born in Portugal and I heard rumours of a liberal immigration policy there allowing 3rd generations to obtain citizenship. anyone have any idea on this?

But hey, with the Dems back in control of both houses of congress, USA may not be that bad an option soon either, Hillary Clinton 2008

- jeff steps off of political soapbox....

35. Posted by tzindaro (Budding Member 11 posts) 9y

Several countries allow citizenship for the children or grandchildren of citizens, and Portugal may well be among them. I have not researched that question because I do not know how to obtain any Portuguese ancestry. If you have some ideas as to how to aquire some new ancestors, please let me know. Until then, I am interested in finding someone over there to marry me since that is my only possibility to obtain citizenship. It makes no difference which of the two branches of the Republicrat Party pose as the winners of their rigged elections. The country will remain a totalitarian police state until there is a revolution. Taking part in one of their elections only serves to lend a false image of legitimacy to the power structure. By the time they hold their next fraudulent election, I hope to be permanently living in some other country. Elections in a corrupt system cannot change anything. They just contribute to the problem by making it look as if the public has some say in things. Only armmed force can get rid of the American dictatorship and restore freedom to the American people.

Quoting coldwarspy

hmm, Im not considering marriage at all. Actually looking for citizenship through means of ancestors - my Grandfather was born in Portugal and I heard rumours of a liberal immigration policy there allowing 3rd generations to obtain citizenship. anyone have any idea on this?

But hey, with the Dems back in control of both houses of congress, USA may not be that bad an option soon either, Hillary Clinton 2008

- jeff steps off of political soapbox....

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