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1. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

In a lot of European countries, legislation has been passed, to make testing cosmetics and what goes into them, on animals illegal.
Would anybody know, if Germany is one of these countries?

Mel

2. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 9y

I fail to see how this question is in any way travel-related; imho it should be posted in the off-topic forum.

3. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Bentivogli

Would u have the answer, to the question?

Mel

4. Posted by Simon1983 (Budding Member 50 posts) 9y

Mel

Taken from a site (cant remember which):

"Some European Union member countries—including the United Kingdom and Germany—had previously banned cosmetic product testing on animals in their respective countries, but not the importation of such products from other countries."

Now it seems that the importation of such cosmetics will be phased out with a total ban coming in 2009. The European Parliment has passed this order, but for it to become law we need the European Council to rectify it. It seems likely they will!

Hope this answers your question.

Simon.

5. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Here is a link to an article, from January 16, 2003, about the passing of the law. As Simon showed, it does not take full affect until 2009, with some areas of testing still being given a grace period through 2013.

Lawsuits to repeal the law, or parts of it, hve been filed in some EU countries.

EU Plans Ban on Animal Testing for Cosmetics

If you do a Google search, you will find several articles covering the subject.

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Moderator comment: I have moved this thread to the Off Topic forum as it does not contain a travel-related question that doesn't fit anywhere else, which is the basic criteria for General Talk threads.
As a reminder - moving it to Off Topic does not mean that it is "fair game" for threadjacking just because it's been relocated. Thank you.

6. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

What on earth is threadjacking?

Mel

7. Posted by Pardus (Respected Member 2356 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

What on earth is threadjacking?

Mel

Technically, you are threadjacking with this post. It's steering the thread away from its original topic (usually unintentionally) to something completely different. Thread do evolve over time and change direction, but sometimes it goes too far. You've probably seen some examples in Off Topic (I admit, I am guilty of doing it at times myself.)

I hope this makes sense.

We now return to the original topic.

8. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Thanks Simon and Isadora, for all the information.

Hope u will not mind me asking another question. It is all very confusing.
Does this mean,if i buy a product, which has made in Germany on it, this means it and its ingredients are not tested on animals(not since several years ago, anyway. I mean, it does not happen in that company, anymore.)?

Paradus.
Thanks for the info, about threadjacking. I will try not to do it, now that i know what it is. But i suppose this thank you would also be threadjacking. OK, this is my last threadjack.

Mel

9. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 9y

Quoting Mel.

Thanks Simon and Isadora, for all the information.

Hope u will not mind me asking another question. It is all very confusing.
Does this mean,if i buy a product, which has made in Germany on it, this means it and its ingredients are not tested on animals(not since several years ago, anyway. I mean, it does not happen in that company, anymore.)?

The answer lies in the wording of the legislation and other related laws set by Germany. (I'm not familiar with German regulations.) I do know that in many countries, the term "Made In" means the product(s) was assembled there but the ingredients making up that product may have come from other places. My guess is that Germany is similar to other countries. Depending on the type of cosmetic, certain ingredients may not be produced in Germany and are imported from outside.

It also hinges on the integrity of the cosmetic company. A "good" company that states no animal testing was performed will follow-up on the testing of ingredients to make sure no testing was done on them since 2003. They can honestly state their product (and ingredients) was not tested on animals. A "bad" company will not test the final product (staying within the law) but will not follow-up on the testing of ingredients supplied from outside Germany. There is a very fine line and most businesses will skirt the edges to keep profits up and still stay within the guidelines.

If you are willing to do some research, you may be able to find the text of the legislation, either online or through a library or public office. Even one of the bigger news organizations might have a copy of the ruling that is available for viewing by the public. Newspaper companies are usually good for that type of research.

Paradus.
Thanks for the info, about threadjacking. I will try not to do it, now that i know what it is. But i suppose this thank you would also be threadjacking. OK, this is my last threadjack.

Mel

Only time will really tell, Mel!!

10. Posted by Mel. (Travel Guru 4567 posts) 9y

Thanks Isadora
This information is helping me to choose the right products.
But roll on 2009 and expecially 2013.

If there is anybody who knows the following, would u please post it here.
Which companies, are known offenders. Meaning they still import ingredients tested on animals after 2003?

If there are people reading this, who use products whose ingredients are not tested on animals, would u please list them. It will help me make the right choices, when buying things.
Mine are
Perfume, make up, shower gel, from the body shop.
Some hair products from Reform house.
The other procucts i use, i am unsure if they are completely 100% made without ingredients tested on animals. I would like to replace them, if they are not, so all information given is much appriciated. I know i could buy everything in the Body Shop, but it is so expensive.

Would anybody be able to name big store and supermarket brand names, which do not make products, whose ingredient have been tested on animals? It would be especially helpful, if u know German stores.

Mel

[ Edit: Edited at Oct 20, 2006 2:21 AM by Mel. ]