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11. Posted by Cupcake (Travel Guru 8468 posts) 10y

or a REDHEAD! :P
(By George, I've think he's got it! :) )

12. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 10y

I use SeaMonkey (the continuation of the original Mozilla Suite), because I'm a power user and don't like how Firefox hides complexity from me, plus I use all parts of the suite and don't want separate programs. (Oh, and because I do QA and the occasional development for it.)

I can absolutely, thoroughly and highly recommend that those of you who're sticking with IE out of... 'inertia' give Firefox or Opera a try. Really, trust me, it'll open your eyes. Using a more capable browsers makes such a tremendous amount of difference on how you use the internet. Take tabbed browsing: Open all the threads you want to read in tabs: middle-click, middle-click, middle-click. Then read, close tab, and the next thread is there already. No need for laboriously going back and forth. Or open all your daily read webcomics with a single click.
Or how about not having to worry every single minute that you're online that the next site you visit will automatically infect your computer with all kinds of adware and spyware? IE still is the most insecure piece of crap masquerading as a browser that's out there, and due to the way it's tied into the Operating System, the damage it can do is far and far larger.

Microsoft has proven time and again that it doesn't care about you, the user. It cares about crushing competition and maintaining its monopoly, and as soon as that happens, it'll dump you by the wayside.
They've done it before; don't let them do it again.

Cupcake: Safari is the default browser on the Mac. Very capable, and a pleasure to have around since as a web developer you almost never have to fix bugs for it. :)

Isadora: If you like the "quality" look of Safari better, you also might want to try Camino. It's a lightweight gecko-based browser, but unlike Firefox, it's built solely and specifically for the Mac. That means that the people working on it really care about making it fit in with all the other programs. And chances are, it'll access your webmail just fine.

[ Edit: Edited at Oct 29, 2006 5:05 AM by Sander ]

13. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting Sander

Isadora: If you like the "quality" look of Safari better, you also might want to try Camino. It's a lightweight gecko-based browser, but unlike Firefox, it's built solely and specifically for the Mac. That means that the people working on it really care about making it fit in with all the other programs. And chances are, it'll access your webmail just fine.

Thank you, Sander!!! I looked at the site and I will give Camino a try!! It will have to wait a few more days (corn's almost gone though) due to the 14+ MB download size. As soon as the highspeed is back - I'm there.

I did just check the provider's webmail compatability chart... They support IE & Mozilla for Windows, FireFox & Netscape for both platforms. But, I'll see if Camino will work also. (If not, it's easy enough to use FireFox.) Under "Your Browser Configuration", it states "(KHTML, like Gecko)". Am I wrong in thinking that it probably won't allow me to use Camino because it is gecko-based?? Just curious (and that browser un-savvy)...

14. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 10y

Gecko is the name of the rendering engine for Firefox, SeaMonkey, Netscape and Camino. (KHTML is the name of the Safari rendering engine, but they've included "like Gecko" in their user-agent string to get compatibility with stupid sites that do user-agent sniffing, and because in most areas it really is quite close to gecko in how well it performs.)

If webmail doesn't work because Safari lacks some capability, then Camino will work (because it has the exact same capabilities as Firefox). If Safari doesn't work because the webmail is actively detecting user-agent and turning away anything that isn't known compatible (which is really stupid and bad behaviour), then Camino also won't work.
(In that case, I'd send an angry email to the webmaster and tell him to get a clue, since testing builds of Firefox won't be called Firefox either (they're "Minefield"), Debian's version of Firefox is called "IceWeasel", and there's a dozen other browsers with the same capabilities out there that they'd be turning away for no good reason whatsoever.)

15. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Thank you for the explanation, Sander! I appreciate it very much.

I don't know the reason behind Safari not being compatable, but when I call to have my connections switched, I will make a point of asking them about the reasoning. My guess is, because they are a very small provider in a very rural area, the webmail is turning down anything that isn't known. (They are the only provider available that has a local number so I don't pay per minute for the online time.) But, I will follow-up on it because I am really curious now!!

Thank you, again! ;)

Isa heads off to pack up a couple of cheesecakes to send Sander's way...

16. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 10y

Firefox as a default, with Safari as my back up option (isadora, I think there is a plugin for firefox that will emulate the safari look though not entirely sure). One of the main reasons I recommend Firefox (outside from what Sander mentioned in terms of security) is the active community of developers who create fantastic little free plugins that sit right there in your browser. The weather for the next few days, a music player interface that uses your local music player to play your mp3s and tons and tons more. These sit right in your browser so you don't have to visit other pages to do things you often would do anyway.

I also use Opera for most testing (the best for emulating a decent mobile browser which is how we tested TP and how it loads on those smaller screens) and sometimes Mac IE5 to find and fix common IE bugs.

Naturally my choices are based on using a mac instead of a PC, but this past weekend I had Windows installed on my mac, so I can start up the computer in windows mode. The main reason for that is testing the site in Internet Explorer for PC, versions 6 and especially 7, due to their popularity as a default browser. So it's safe to say I'll use those a bit too (and yes, that did mean I had to go out and get anti-virus software for the first time in two years!). I do hear IE7 is better and should fix a lot of the problems that have caused website developers to pull out their hair in frustration (while writing incorrect code to make pages display normally in IE5 and 6). Unfortunately I'm just worried a whole legion of new fixes will be necessary to combat new problems (we've already had to upload the first few fixes to an IE7 bug in our photography area :( )....

In short, I prefer Firefox as it makes my life easy. From a web development point of view: once everything works nicely in FF, I go out and see how to break the code so it will work in IE

17. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 10y

i installed IE7 at work, and less than a week, guess what? it's got a bug and adware has hijacked it.
if this is how quick a new piece of microsoft software gets a bug,virus then it beggers belief what is going to happen to vista when it arrives.

18. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Quoting Isadora

I don't know the reason behind Safari not being compatable, but when I call to have my connections switched, I will make a point of asking them about the reasoning. My guess is, because they are a very small provider in a very rural area, the webmail is turning down anything that isn't known.

Well, I have my questions answered - not sufficiently, mind you - but answered as well as the minions could manage all the same. (Yup, time for a letter-writing assault.)

No, the webmail server will not recognize Camino. It will only recognize FireFox and IE for the Mac.
Explanation: "It is the sofware we are currently using and the latest upgrade did not contain recognition capabilities for any additional browsers than the ones listed in the compatibility chart accessible through our website."
This was followed by a line of questioning on why didn't I just want to use FireFox, what did I have against FireFox, why would I consider using Camino, why am I going into my webmail at all and I should just consider using Entourage for all of my mail needs. (Don't ask what followed that...)

I rest my case for Middle-Of-Nowhere, USA... :(

19. Posted by mim (Travel Guru 1276 posts) 10y

Definately firefox, everyone I know who knows anything about computers uses it.

I've got an intel mac and it's fine with firefox

20. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

I like Firefox, Don't like Opera that much, Safari is good, Internet Explorer sucks goat ass.