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1. Posted by exotica (First Time Poster 1 posts) 10y

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Australia may be a heavenly holiday destination for many people, especially if you are Caucasian from western world, but I do not recommend any Asian to go there.

Many Asian tourists love to go to Australia because it is less cost than traveling to Europe when the non-Asian destinations are taken into consideration. They totally have no idea that the hell of racism and discrimination is awaiting them overseas. I can say that it should be ranked as the worst destination for Asian people.

I travel most of the time and never had any problems with local people anywhere, even in the big cities like New York or London. The only nation in the world who always claimed that they are proud of being the country of diversity, and in the meantime they are called Australasia from people all over the world, is the only one that is racist, discriminated, uneducated, and lack of civilization. In addition to their aussie accent which is improper English, hard to understand and unacceptable by most of the world, they’re always proud of the way they are – being “down under”.

My first time to Australia was with the group tour. Starting from the Australian based airline, I heard the stewardess said to her colleagues right next to my ears when serving the food that “Just throw it to them and you don’t have to ask for their choice. These people don’t understand English.”. That was a very good welcome. Unfortunately I have to go back there again many times due to my work.

The big supermarkets, or superstores in this country are always tricky. I’m not sure if it’s their government policy to hide the price of many products. I said “the government policy” because it’s the same in every superstore all over the country. Broken eggs are always left on the shelf in supermarket for days. I do not mention this from my once and only once experience, but as I have been traveling to this country for many times so I can say that they have the same practice for the whole country. They have the highest standard in the world regarding their quarantine inspection at the airport before you enter their country but unfortunately they are lack of discipline to maintain that same standard within their own country.

All CDs and DVDs including game discs will be displayed on their shelf with only the empty boxes. This includes those free CDs which are sold with the magazines. They said the discs always been stolen and the solution is keeping all the discs behind the counter. The problem of stolen discs is easily understandable but why we don’t see this same solution in any other countries? Just imagine a huge storage space needed for the big store like CD shop or magazine store. Anyway they can manage this and 90% of all shops in Australia do the same practice. Even a schoolboy know that once the discs are removed from its boxes, placed in the shop’s own storage, and being replaced again to the boxes when you make a purchase, it is hard to avoid scratches – even a tiny one. We’re not talking about removing one or ten discs here but a huge number of discs. I usually bought a number of CDs at a time and always found that one or two discs got scratches on it. Why don’t I check it well before making the purchase? Well, I’ll check it if I buy only one or two CDs, but it’s hard to do so when I buy ten or fifteen CDs and have something else to do on the day. Yes, they have refund and return policy but not for scratched discs, especially if you’re Asian. I once went to see the blonde girl at the customer service desk and queued behind a local aussie lady to change the scratched CD I just bought. When it’s my turn, I approached her with a tiny smile on my face but the blonde girl suddenly changed from her friendly smiley face to a shit face, staring at me and asked me “what do you want?”. I finally couldn’t change for a new disc because the disc got a few scratches and I had already walked out of the store (even for a few minutes). Unfortunately that CD could not be played on my CD player and I had to buy a new one.

I like trying different kind of food when I travel. It seems to be my misfortune because I was always being ignored when going to those restaurants owned and served by those blonde aussie just because I’m the only Asian in that restaurant. That’s why in Australia you will always see Asian people in Asian restaurants and rarely see them in the Australian restaurants. Does it denote any claims of being the country of diversity – where we should see mixed races of people in every places?

You will never seen any mixes of Asian & Caucasian in any advertising media. I consider this as weird because the diversity in all major cities in this country is so much. If you go to city like Cairns, you will see the aborigines as homeless beggars everywhere. They are hardly to be seen in the Australian society as well. Are they the owner of this island? We see them in the Australia’s tourist advertising campaign, and they are used as a selling point for arts and cultures in this country. Unfortunately the fact shows that nowadays these people are ignored, discriminated, and being used by the Australians.

It is very easy to identify Aussies from the other Caucasian nations. Other than the accents that they’re proud of , they’ll be racist and look down on Asian people. You can tell from looking into their eyes and chat with them for just five minutes.

2. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 10y

What a rrrrrrriveting read!!!

Anyone wearing plaid trousers and an Hawaiian shirt with an outrageous American accent is gonna get treated like a moron anywhere in this world.

Seriously, coming just after Sheikh Taj Hil got deservedly schlapped by every government minister, newspaper editor, rape victim and Aussie for calling any Australian woman a piece of meat if not wearing the muslim headress, I reckon you've got brown eyes.

Build a bridge, fall off it

3. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Quoting exotica

Other than the accents that they’re proud of , (Australians will) be racist and look down on Asian people. You can tell from looking into their eyes ...

What a novel idea! I think I'll suggest it to my boss instead of interviews and portfolio presentations. "Are those green specks in your eyes?" "Why...yes." "NEXT!!"

Honestly, though. Diatribes like this say more about the author than the subject.

4. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

An interesting diatribe to be sure...

Almost everything you mentioned about supermarkets, CDs, and the like all take place in the US too. And, it's not just to fool the Asians either, though the broken egg thing would make me suspicious... Try to find a price on something, especially in a grocery store! (I know - I visited 3 of them today.) In the major cities - theft runs rampant so good luck finding a CD/DVD case with an actual CD/DVD in it. (It's that or they are so wrapped in plastic and almost-impossible-to-remove security strips that it takes a week to open the damn thing.) But, I digress... (Yup, I also looked at your profile.)

As for the airlines, be happy they recognised your existance. I'm invisible when it comes to flight attendants. They don't see me to throw food at me. I could live with that and would bring a catcher's mitt along if they would toss a morsel my way.

I do hope you have your resume out there. I think an employment opportunity that does not cause your to travel to Australia would be a good thing. (Sometimes, life just sucks, doesn't it!)

5. Posted by arvyt (Budding Member 31 posts) 10y

wow wow wow

where exactly did you go? if you came to melbourne you'd see that we have an asian mayor (which got cheered more during the commonwealth games than the prime minister and premier)and he is on ads for the city of melbourne.

I can only speak for Melbourne but would have to say the only time ive seen blatent racsim is form the 'bogans' who frequent the city and arn't the nicest people in the world, other than that everyday melbourians are fine with diversity.

Sadly the thing about Aboriginals is true, here in Melbourne it is clear that Aboriginals in the city and surrounding areas (i.e. collingwood) have problems with alcohol. more definately needs to be done there.

As for the CD/DVD thing try a shop like JB Hi-Fi next time your here, broader selection and no cd's kept in drawers.

Hope you give Aus another chance.

Cheers anth

6. Posted by im__71 (Inactive 8 posts) 10y

As an Asian American from NYC who has traveled to Australia (Sydney, Melbourne, Gold Coast, Brisbane, and Cairns) several times in the past few years, I think Australia and its people are great! I find the people really nice and friendly. The place is primarily clean, and that includes the public restrooms. I didn't find any problems with shopping at the supermarkets. I don't remember if items have price tags on them, but there were definitely a price label somewhere (maybe on the shelves) for the items. I don't remember having any issues with eating at non-Asian restaurants at all. I love Australia so much that I keep going back (will be going again in January) and my friends actually think I'm crazy for going back to the same spots so many times. In any case, as a NY-er who has at one point or another experienced racism first hand, I think one should never get so bogged down with the negatives in a city. No city or place is perfect. There's always room for improvement and just be glad that as citizens of this world, many of us are trying to make this place a better place to live. Just do your part. Peace! 8-)

7. Posted by majito (Respected Member 442 posts) 10y

Sad story. Some of it is probably quite true; Asians do have mixed experiences here. I wonder though if you know that the tour operators found to be the most guilty of causing negative experiences for Asian tourists are Asian owned and operated.

A recent survey of Asian tourists down under revealed the following
> Asian tourists were being ripped off by Asian owned duty free stores
> Asian tourists were taken to Asian owned restaurants and hotels and were actively discouraged from straying to far from the group in case they found better deals for things
> Asian tourists were being charged for extras such as "walking on the beach at Bondi" and told that tipping is part of our culture, which it isn't.

Overall the greatest perpetrators of the negative experience - in the eyes of the Asian tourist - were Asian operators taking advantage of the fact they can control every movement of the customer when in Oz. Those moves seemed to be directed mainly at their wallets.

There's a move in some suburbs of Sydney just now to force the Asian owners of some stores to have signs printed in English instead of just their native languages. I say fair enough as its an English speaking country. It doesn't help anglo-Asian relationships when migrants who live here for 10 or more years still don't speak the language and make no attempt to. When communication is not possible or difficult in the native tongue of the country then the non-speakers tend to live in closed communities where they can communicate. This does nothing to help break down cultural barriers.

Australia has a long history with Asia, and much of it is still cast in horrific wartime experiences and post war memories related to Japan. A long time ago? Not for some. There's a few million Australians still around now that were born in the 10 years prior to, during, and of course after the war. Like it or not there is still smouldering resentment towards Japan for lives and countries destroyed. Something our generation find difficult to understand, but then how could we possibly?

Our biggest Asian neighbour is Indonesia home to the largest population of Muslims in the world and home to the Bali Bombers and a justice system that in our eyes is riddled with corruption and a joke and makes a mockery of Australian lives lost. Many narrow minded Australians think Muslims are a threat to our culture; they think all the men are misogynists. Most Australians know they are not any of these things.

It also doesn't help matters of cross-cultural understanding that we have a government that locks up refugees in concentration camps and brands them as terror threats while we look the other way and do nothing. It doesn't help that our Aborginal people here are treated with contempt by our government and that white Policemen can beat them to death and get away with it, while we still do nothing. We're sometimes a bit too laid back for our own good to see the damage being done inside this very country.

Our nation is a place where most people believe we are a welcoming, wordly, bunch of folks whose culture and lifestyle is a benchmark for the rest of the world to follow. It is a great place, and that's why hundreds of thousands of people migrate here. Unfortunately its that migration of outsiders that has created problems that we aren't managing quite that well, but we're getting better at it. It's just very difficult for many millions of Aussies to look at Asian migrants (any migrants) as Aussies, but they need to start doing that because they and their children are Aussies.

In reality though, exotica, if you think that Australians are any better or worse in the way they look at or treat foreigners or migrants than any other European, Asian, South American, or whatever country then you are sadly out of touch with the ways of the world.

8. Posted by WONDERBUS (Budding Member 30 posts) 10y

'Many Asian tourists love to go to Australia because it is less cost than traveling to Europe when the non-Asian destinations are taken into consideration. They totally have no idea that the hell of racism and discrimination is awaiting them overseas. I can say that it should be ranked as the worst destination for Asian people.'

Have you been to every single country on Earth? I'm not sure you can't appoint yourself as the self arbitor of 'Destination Ranking Systems For Asian People' if you have not actually experienced every single country that Asians visit.

I have lived in many countries throughout Europe, and I can tell you that I have experienced a lot of racism towards Foreigners. The Moraccons and Turks cop it pretty badly in Europe and I remember having to walk out of the room when a guy was putting down 'all those blacks' when I was in the U.S

I travel most of the time and never had any problems with local people anywhere, even in the big cities like New York or London. The only nation in the world who always claimed that they are proud of being the country of diversity, and in the meantime they are called Australasia from people all over the world,

We are a country of Diversity, we are a young country made up of people from all over the world. Sydney and Melbourne are one of the most diversified cities in the world. We are called Australasia mainly because of our geography. If you look on a map, you can see that Australia is a part of South East Asia. It's not too hard to work out.

'Is the only one that is racist, discriminated, uneducated, and lack of civilization.'

The only country that is racist? Where did you find your statistics on the subjcts of Racism, Discrimination, Education and Civilisation?

'In addition to their aussie accent which is improper English, hard to understand and....... unacceptable by most of the world,'

'Unacceptable by most of the world.'Again, have you asked six billion people what their thoughts are on the Australian Accent?'Could you understand a Scotsman or an Irishman from Cork? I love the fact that accents are different, I wouldn't exactly call them unacceptable, that's just plain arrogant.I laughed when a guy from the U.S said to me when I was there that he didn't have an accent. It seems as though you have the same view point. Some could argue that North Americans spell certain words from the English language incorrectly. Say aluminium 10 times quickly to an Englishman in your accent. And pronounce the word 'Herb' and try to tell me with a straight face that you're speaking the Queens English.

'they’re always proud of the way they are – being “down under”.

Most people are proud of their country of origin. we are not flag wavers except on ANZAC day, but yes, we are proud of where we're from, That's normal.

My first time to Australia was with the group tour. Starting from the Australian based airline, I heard the stewardess said to her colleagues right next to my ears when serving the food that “Just throw it to them and you don’t have to ask for their choice. These people don’t understand English.”. That was a very good welcome. Unfortunately I have to go back there again many times due to my work.

You came across what we call a Westy or more commonly known ' A bogan.' I'm fairly certain you have dopes in your country too. Plus majito is correct, it's the Asian operators that rip off their fellow Asians when they come to Australia. We also have a problem with certain Asian duty free shops and restaurant owners refusing entry for caucasians.


Broken eggs are always left on the shelf in supermarket for days. I do not mention this from my once and only once experience, but as I have been traveling to this country for many times so I can say that they have the same practice for the whole country. They have the highest standard in the world regarding their quarantine inspection at the airport before you enter their country but unfortunately they are lack of discipline to maintain that same standard within their own country.

Don't eat eggs!

I once went to see the blonde girl at the customer service desk and queued behind a local aussie lady to change the scratched CD I just bought. When it’s my turn, I approached her with a tiny smile on my face but the blonde girl suddenly changed from her friendly smiley face to a shit face, staring at me and asked me “what do you want?”. I finally couldn’t change for a new disc because the disc got a few scratches and I had already walked out of the store (even for a few minutes). Unfortunately that CD could not be played on my CD player and I had to buy a new one.

It's called bad service. Our service levels isn't as good as service in the U.S because no one is expecting a tip based on their level of serice. try walking into a shop and asking for service on the Leidsplein in Amsterdam. That's when the term being served with a by someone with a 'shit face' will bring on a whole new meaning.Bigger....Better....Faster in America. You're starting to sound very insular.' That's not how we do things in the U.S '....Don't buy cd's. Simple. If this is the only thing you have to worry about, then that can be only a good thing. There's people out there dying of cancer and AIDS and your fretting over a scratch on your cd? Get over it mate.

I like trying different kind of food when I travel. It seems to be my misfortune because I was always being ignored when going to those restaurants owned and served by those blonde aussie just because I’m the only Asian in that restaurant.

So you're being ignored by the Aussie blond? Never mind, it sounds more like your ego had been bruised a few too many times in Australia.

That’s why in Australia you will always see Asian people in Asian restaurants and rarely see them in the Australian restaurants. Does it denote any claims of being the country of diversity – where we should see mixed races of people in every places?

Asian people in Asian restaurants? They sure do know where to find the best asian food don't they? You are very ill-educated about certains cities in Australia. I suggest you get out of China Town when you're in Sydney next and stop basing your opinions on selected areas. It's obvious you haven't been to the suburbs of Chatswood or the north western areas of Sydney - Eastwood, Epping, Carlingford,Castle Hill. There is now a high number of Korean and Chinese migrants living in these areas who have blended in so well into society that the majority of Sydney Siders don't think anything of it. It is normal and accepted.

You will never seen any mixes of Asian & Caucasian in any advertising media. I consider this as weird because the diversity in all major cities in this country is so much.

You'be never seen a Vegemite or a Kraft cheese ad have you?

If you go to city like Cairns, you will see the aborigines as homeless beggars everywhere.

Yes,alcohol and displacement in Cairns is a problem.

They are hardly to be seen in the Australian society as well.

Indigenous Australians make up about 1%-2% of the Australian population. There are approximately 20 million Australians.

Are they the owner of this island?

Is the American owner of the U.S?

We see them in the Australia’s tourist advertising campaign, and they are used as a selling point for arts and cultures in this country. Unfortunately the fact shows that nowadays these people are ignored, discriminated, and being used by the Australians.

Yes, we have a problem with our aboriginals, alcohol is a big one. History shows us that you can practically take carbon copy of what happened with the indigenous people of North America and place it over what happened with our indigenous people of Australia. I have seen drunk American Indian Beggers in the U.S, but I don't judge a whole nation on my experience. I have also seen beautiful pictures of American Indians being used in advertising in Travel Agencies in Sydney too. So it is fair to say that American Tourism use images of American Indians to create a cultural experience for people who are considering visiting the U.S. What's the big deal?

It is very easy to identify Aussies from the other Caucasian nations.

We too can quite easily pick you guys out of a crowd, in fact I think most people could do this. Loud speech is dead give away. Ofcourse I am generalising I'll be the first to admit this, and you would probably gain some respect if you admitted it as well.

'Other than the accents that they’re proud of'

It's a part of who we are! We are proud of who we are.

'they’ll be racist and look down on Asian people.
You can tell from looking into their eyes and chat with them for just five minutes.'

It has nothing to do with colour, race or country of origin. After 5 minutes, most Aussies know when their chatting with an idiot. Most people look down on idiots and you'll find that every other nation on earth does too.

Get over yourself and get your facts straight. Or better still, change jobs so you can stop coming here and posting sweeping generalisations. You've had a few bad encounters like most of us have when we've visited or lived in another country. It has more to do with your attitude than anything else.

Majito and im__71, Thank you for your posts.

9. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Australia accepted 120,000 immigrants in 2004, with about 33,000 of these people coming from Asia.

Either these people have a problem, or you do.

Which one do you think it is?

10. Posted by isnoo (Inactive 77 posts) 10y

Mmmmmmm........ I am wondering if you are going to bother answering any of these posts to you.

I am sorry if you have had a bad time in Australia - I assure you it is not the norm. However I am sure you could/would possibly put any countries name into your post and someone could possibly relate to it in some ways.

Maybe, as you have had such a bad time overseas (Australia), maybe it is time for you to go explore your own country. I am sure you could find some places there you haven't seen ....... and I tell you what - I would be interested in hearing your critique on the service and reception you get there.

Good hunting on the perfect destination.

With regards

Kathryn