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11. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

It is a complex beast at that Tway.

James, how can democracy be the best we have when it isn't 'real' democracy? We live under the rule of a corpocracy which is getting more blatent all of the time.

12. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 10y

Quoting Brendan

It is a complex beast at that Tway.

James, how can democracy be the best we have when it isn't 'real' democracy? We live under the rule of a corpocracy which is getting more blatent all of the time.

What's corpocracy? Is it when a country is run by a corporation or a group of corporations?

Well, vote with your wallet and don't buy their junk!

13. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

Yes, society run by corporations. I do what you say, but me not shopping at Wal-Mart or IKEA (insert any number of names) doesn't mean they are not in "control".

For example, you not voting doesn't make your government fail.

[ Edit: Edited at Nov 6, 2006 8:40 PM by Brendan ]

14. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

I agree, B - how can the powers that be espouse democracy when they don't see fit to practice it to the letter? Like anything in life, democracy is going to be uncomfortable and require sacrifice at times. If we can't commit to it and see the rough times through, then how dare we make democracy the rallying cry when we invade natons that don't practice it?

The more power and money you have, the more able you are to perform the ultimate miracle: having your cake and eating it, too.

15. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 10y

Yes, politics is run by big business, caters to lobbyists, isn't truly democratic, hides behind the veil of working for the people and a host of other rhetoric - but I'm still going to go out and vote this afternoon. Will it change anything - probably not - but I'm one who actually buys into the idea that you can't honestly compalin if you don't take the time to "voice you opinion" at the polls.

16. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 10y

I think it's not a bad thing that the public don't have complete say over all government decisions as:

a) you need stability to implement successful policies - if the public just reject anything that doesn't work in 5 minutes we'd be in a right mess.

b) sometimes the most intuitively obvious solution to a problem isn't actually a solution at all (death sentences for murderers, flat rate of income tax etc etc..)

I think we have quite a good balance really. As James says, we can vote with our wallets. We should vote with our wallets a lot more than we do.

17. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 10y

Quoting magykal1

I think it's not a bad thing that the public don't have complete say over all government decisions...

I definitely agree with you - we'd never, ever get anything done if we had to poll the nation every 3 days. My beef is that the powers that be (government, big business, whoever else) pick and choose when they want to use democratic processes. In the case of Guatemala, the people eleceted a democratic government that decided to give the country back to the people. So the US fruit company, who owned more than half the arable land, balked at getting a fair market price for their land. They didn't want to share in the democratic process - they wanted to continue exploiting the country to make the kind of money that made them happy. So they turned to the US government, who in turn helped overthrow the democratic Guatemalan government and replace it with yet another dictator.

My point being: you can't pick and choose when to be democratic and still call yourself a democracy.

18. Posted by Brendan (Respected Member 1824 posts) 10y

Quoting Isadora

I'm one who actually buys into the idea that you can't honestly compalin if you don't take the time to "voice you opinion" at the polls.

I agree with that - I go out a vote too, but our "first past the post" system means that the election is already decided as soon as Ontario votes.

I don't think we would be in a big mess if the government actaully represented the people. If our Members of Parliament actaully would voice the concerns of those in their ridings and not cower to the party whip... if only.

I think the state of our States lies with the fact lawyers and businessmen are the ones running the show. (Not that lawyers and businessmen are bad, just their view of the world is different than most I would think)

True though, we don't want Joe Shmoe running the country, but don't think millionaire-family-lineage should be the requirement.

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