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WARNING TO ALL TREVELERS (AND SPECIALLY FOR SOUTH AMERICA)

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1. Posted by Raymon_D (Budding Member 5 posts) 10y

Hi, I'm a citizen of Venezuela and Caracas the 4th most dangerous city in the world. I've been following a few topics about venezuela for the last year, to see a bit of what is the general view of my country in a travellers point of view and I think I owe this travel comunity at least this much:

On Dicember the 3th, precidential elections will have place and my country's future will be decided, all the high political tensions since 1998 will give fruits and what will happen is yet to be known. The posibility of riots and even civil war are back. If you are planing any trip to Venezuela starting from two weeks before the elections, you should reconsider, dont trust what people generaly say about it not being too dangerous, a few days ago,in what was once thought to be one of the few places to still be safe in venezuela for turists, Los Roches, a german scientist was murdered horribly and thats just a tip of the iceberg style exemple, dont even think of coming just to go to Colombia, Brazil or Aruba, the national limits aren't being supervised, states from Venezuela's borders have never been so dangerous, kidnapings for venezuelans and non-venezuela by guerrilla are sky rocketing (guerrilla always are on the look out for non-venezuelans, randsoms are bigger).

It's hard for me to talk in such an bad way of my country, but it's the sad truth, please trust me, something is going to happen, maybe something that isn't that serious, but it could also be very bad. President Chavez may finaly admit to comunisme and stop being "a mr. nice guy" or a military uprising could take place, bad or good, something will happen.

To give you an idea, every day around 44 people in Venezuela die of homicide, thats almost one every half hour, but calculating from 44 a day, it's 1364 deaths a month and around 16000 a year, that less than the last termoile in Beirut (with all do respect), in less than three months it's more than US soldiers dead in Iraq (again, with all do respect). I bet you don't want to be part of the statistics, think it over. Sincerely, Ramón Díaz.

2. Posted by Raymon_D (Budding Member 5 posts) 10y

Quoting Raymon_D

... it's 1364 deaths a month and around 16000 a year, that less than the last termoile in Beirut (with all do respect), ...

Sorry for the double post, but since I can't edit the topic's inicial post, this error that changes the meaning completly needed to be corrected:

... it's 1364 deaths a month and around 16000 a year, thats more deaths in the same period of time than the last termoile in Beirut (with all do respect), ...

[ Edit: Edited at Nov 2, 2006 6:53 PM by Raymon_D ]

3. Posted by Tonytravel (Full Member 87 posts) 10y

President Chavez may finaly admit to comunisme and stop being "a mr. nice guy" or a military uprising could take place, bad or good, something will happen.

I think you have misplaced you message, this is travellers site, not a political forum.
We, latin americans, overcame military bulling a long time ago, after a bloody, violent, repulsive experience. People choose their president, whether you like it or not, there's no more room for "uprisings" and intolerance.
I was sad to read your post, to create alarm and fear is a practice that should be 6 feet under by now.
Tonya

4. Posted by Raymon_D (Budding Member 5 posts) 10y

I think you have misplaced you message, this is travellers site, not a political forum.
We, latin americans, overcame military bulling a long time ago, after a bloody, violent, repulsive experience. People choose their president, whether you like it or not, there's no more room for "uprisings" and intolerance.
I was sad to read your post, to create alarm and fear is a practice that should be 6 feet under by now.
Tonya

Well, your right, political impartiality (not sure if thats how it's writen) is first and foremost important, please excuse me, I shoulden't have mentioned that. If your latin american like myself I'm betting your not from Venezuela, if you'd been here for the last ten years you'd understand me. I really don't want to get into detailles, so I'm just gonna say this few things: Don't miss understand me, I'm not saying DO NOT GO to Venezuela, I'm suggesting it's best to wait and see how the events unfold and then decide if your comming or not. I could just write hole pages of stuff expainig why, but, that would be way off traveller subjects.

And just for the record, I thought my country had overcome that issue too, but the military isn't the problem here to be exact, yet, my friend, mi herman@ de un mismo continente, confia en mi cuando te digo, please, trust me when I say: I have good reasons to post this warning.

5. Posted by marlis (Travel Guru 1167 posts) 10y

Raymon,
thank you for the posting.
I agree with you that travellers should be warned about Venezuela.
Since I live not far from Venezuela I can see the News in TV,have Friends from there,everybody is afraid of what will happen after election.
Very sorry to hear about the murder at Los Roces,never thought that this place gets also unsafe,like the coastline.
Many horrible things took place to sailors the last years,I warn all Sailors to stay close to the coast or anker,only marinas are safe.
I feel very sorry for Venezuela,it is such a beautyful country,but as the situation is right now,better stay away and wait what happens.
Marlis

6. Posted by Raymon_D (Budding Member 5 posts) 10y

Thank you for your reply, Marlis, you've reminded me about the national waters, thats another one of the big dangers here.

Don't think just because you're not sanding on venezuelan soil you're out of harm's way, the details are a bit... let's say "too impresive" for some folk, but I could tell you that the missing people numbers can be scary. If it weren't for the general tension everybody is going throught the last week as the election deadline gets closer, I'de say the mainland is a bit safer.
Greetings, R.D.

7. Posted by Luucy (Full Member 39 posts) 10y

Ramon
YES very honest and true, I have friends Americans who live in Venuzuela and I worry for their safety and yes they ARE terrified but own property and don't have an option but to stay and wait it out !
Forgive the occassional "Ding Bat" who will critise you for TRYING TO WARN travelers ,and try to put a Political slant on everyhting ..Forgive the ignoranceof those types .
I own a B&B here in Costa Rica and on other sites also GOD Forbid I try to WARN tourists of the dangers of the Caribbean Coasts due to the drug problems ..Some idiots bombard me for trying to hustle people ONLY tomy B&B ..I ignore those small minds and cary on helping sending people of hee to SAFER places in Costa Rica
I wish you all the best there as I do for my friends living there. seems like one lady knows the real score judging by her post ( sorry i forget your name but thanks also for your intelligent post!

Blessings and travel to SAFE areas and dont stick your head in the sand and cofuse stupidity for bravery or you could also become a statisic ALAS there ARE places NOT to travel..READ the US Embassy warning ..and YES even whe I lived in the USA in certain cities there ARE areas NOT to go to unless seeking dange r
Now I am off my soap box because I know how poor Ramon must feel by choosing to try to warn tourists..Oh Well BIG SIGH!!!

8. Posted by Raymon_D (Budding Member 5 posts) 10y

Luucy, thack you for the good wishes, I appreciate it. Send mine to your american friends here and tell them stock up on suplies as I am (better to be safe than sorry).

Don't give too much importance to those small minded people that don't pay attention to warnings, most of them won't care untill it affects them personaly.

One exemple I'de like to give to people to have an idea of what Caracas can be like during riots, you can see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracazo