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1. Posted by zags (Respected Member 370 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

Have anyone seen the movie, "TROY"? What do you think? Apart from the gorgeous actors (oh what a sight...), I'm interested in the story itself. Are Homer's writings the Illiad and Odyssey just fiction or are there any historical facts there? I just know from the movie that Troy was located in current Turkey. If Troy did exist, which city is it now?

2. Posted by travelover (Respected Member 494 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

The movie was absolutely fantastic... I mean Brad Pitt, how hot is he?!?!? I was flustered! As far as the story goes, I know that the movie is based on mythology. But apparently the Iliad has some archeological background. Some archeologists (I can't remember their names) have actually found some evidence that proves that a battle was fought on the historical site of Troy. The current site is located in Turkey, in Anatolia, near the Dardenelles strait. As for the Odyssey, I'm not sure if there's actual proof of it happening, especially with the element of the fantastic about it. But that's the way mythology works: taking a real event, adding some magical elements to explain certain phenomenon and perhaps make the story more interesting! Hope that helped!


3. Posted by mtlchica (Respected Member 922 posts) 13y Star this if you like it!

I know this is nothing about the Troy myth specifically, but I know there is a concrete example out there of a story from Greek mythology to be based on fact. I've been searching for it online, but can't remember for the life of me what it was. I had learned about it in high school but that was a while back :)

One thing I did find was the metaphors and imaging that were used in mythology (which is believed to be the purpose of it). Medusa, for example, was one of three Gorgon sisters. The other two were hideously ugly, but Medusa was famous for being the most beautiful one. She upset the Godess Athena one day because Medusa was ravished by the God Neptune, and Athena turned her into the snake-headed figure of mythology we know her to be. This myth was said to "teach" it's readers that if you brag about your beauty too much you will be seen as ugly.

Anyways, just thought I'd share! Tee hee! I will continue looking for that myth and I will let you know!

Katie ;)

4. Posted by zags (Respected Member 370 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Tam, Katie, he..he..he... thanks for the info!

What is actually the moral of the Iliad? That a war could happen because of a man's pride (whose wife ran away) and a man (Agamemnon)'s greed to conquer all nations? Or do we just put the blame on Helen the woman who runs away (she's just a "present" to the man and he was playing with other women anyway)?

5. Posted by travelover (Respected Member 494 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

I think the Iliad touches on many different aspects of human nature. First off, you have the Paris/Helen/Menelaos story, which deals with infidelity and revenge, and two men fighting because of a woman. Secondly, you have Agamemnon, who represents the limitless greed of those in power. Thirdly, you have the Trojans (Hektor/Paris/Priam etc), who represent the foolish of overconfidence, underestimation, and pre-emptive celebration of a small battle.

There are plenty more social specimens that are being commented on in the Iliad, such as the limits of a human's power. One of the main points the Iliad makes is the saying "Don't count your eggs before they've hatched". That's sort of what the Trojans did when they celebrated the fall of Menelaos, and that's how the Greeks won the war (with the Trojan horse). Perhaps that's the biggest moral of the story.

I gotta get cracking on my mythology though! I've read the Odyssey but not the Illiad. It's really interesting especially after I saw the movie. And on a side note of woe: I just found out that this past weekend (Mtl's Grand Prix), Brad Pitt was seen at a local hip restaurant! Why was I not there?!?! Woe is me (and my sister) !


6. Posted by mtlchica (Respected Member 922 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

No prob zags! I am the queen of useless info! lol

About Brad Pitt: It's alright Tam, maybe he'll still be in town filming a movie and we can go on a Brad Pitt hunt ;)


7. Posted by zags (Respected Member 370 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Hi! I just got back from a trip. I met new people (and I lost one - no track of email nor phone number :( )and one of my new friend is Turkish, so I asked him about Troy. He said it still exists now with the same name, but no one lives there anymore. The ruins of the old city are still there.

8. Posted by mtlchica (Respected Member 922 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Dang, I guess there's no hope of finding a Brad Pitt-type person there then, huh? ;)


9. Posted by shopgirl (Full Member 136 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Someone called me a harpie the other day, so I guess I have a sort of affinity with the place..........

10. Posted by zags (Respected Member 370 posts) 12y Star this if you like it!

Shopgirl, what is a "harpie"? And, do you mean you are in Troy now?